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Battle of the sexes (not the show) (pg. 4)
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I tell you it's all socialization. Men in North America (I cannot speak for anywhere else) have been taught that we need to be sensitive and passive because aggression is socially unacceptable. Women on the otherhand are being sociallized to believe that they have to fight for what they want because they live in a male dominated patriarchial world where they will be repressed unless they are better and more aggressive then the next woman or even the next man. |
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| quote: | | [i][b]See, the problem is that men of today have been taught their entire lives that we should be less confrontational. |
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For me, usually i have the 'dont care' attitude. I stand my ground, but at the same time, im not confrontational. |
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| Falcon-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
Well I definitely wouldn’t want to be seen as a “complainer” because I don’t like bitch and moan all the time at restaurants and stuff.
But this was Valentine’s Day dinner at like a super expensive steak house that is supposedly rated in the top 10 best steak houses in the country and it was like ing burned…and he ordered it rare. I was like oh my god baby send it back and he was like no whatever. Normally I would have called over the waiter and sent it back right away despite what he said (lol)…I would never be a bitch about it unless the waiter copped an attitude with me first, but I decided to bite my tongue because I didn’t want to make a “scene” on Vday. |
yeah but if he sent it back you could not have eaten at the same time... or yours would have been cold.... and maybe he was hungry and didnt want to wait another 45 mins. |
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| Slylee |
trust me, i know it's a man's world, and if i could be reborn and had a choice, i'd be a guy. lol but i think that we're equal (or SHOULD be treated as so) when it comes to how much money we make or what jobs can be available to us...i mean hey, if a chick is a sports fan and wants to be a sports announcer, that's cool. but if a chick wants to join a professional football team as a kicker and files a law suit against the NFL, yada yada, then i'm like, "ehh, give it a rest lady, go play soccer"
so i guess i'm 50/50.
i'm always a little turned off by "housewives" or a woman who wants to just have 50 kids and stay at home cleaning and cooking while the man brings home the bacon. to each their own, but it's like what if her man starts screwing his secretary and kicks her out of the house? she'd be screwed... |
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| Floorfiller |
hmmmmm...interseting thread.
well i suppose its pretty obvious that i'm not a real confrontational person, but i don't think that is a bad thing really. i have a lot of patience and am willing to work through things, but believe me...i will rip someone's ing head off if they really piss me off. i tend to try and avoid confrontation usually because, well, it just seems pretty stupid to me to go stomping around making a big fuss about something insignificant or not trying to handle things without fighting. i usually don't do much that would ever piss someone off...i mean if i bump someone of do something, i just say oh sorry...and its not a big deal. but i do have a side of me that is pure rage...it just never comes out because it takes waaaay too much for me to reach that point and i think i'd probably be in jail if it did... |
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| trance85 |
| quote: | trust me, i know it's a man's world, and if i could be reborn and had a choice, i'd be a guy. lol but i think that we're equal (or SHOULD be treated as so) when it comes to how much money we make or what jobs can be available to us...i mean hey, if a chick is a sports fan and wants to be a sports announcer, that's cool. but if a chick wants to join a professional football team as a kicker and files a law suit against the NFL, yada yada, then i'm like, "ehh, give it a rest lady, go play soccer"
so i guess i'm 50/50.
i'm always a little turned off by "housewives" or a woman who wants to just have 50 kids and stay at home cleaning and cooking while the man brings home the bacon. to each their own, but it's like what if her man starts screwing his secretary and kicks her out of the house? she'd be screwed... |
I agree with you on the housewife thing, it seems very unusual to me that a woman would be fine sitting at home doing nothing for the rest of her life (aside from raising kids), it makes me think they almost have no purpose. As a practical example, I can't stand to see housewives on TV in walmart commercials and stuff that get all excited when a new dishwashing detergent comes out, it just makes me think they need to get a life and do something with themselves.
And yea, chicks can't be in the NFL, they would have to make a woman's league for that. Like it or not, women's bodies ARE more frail, not be sexist but this is just obvious, they can't handle getting hit and stuff the way guys can. And I noticed you said kicker, well, maybe kickers don't get hit all that much, but still its kind of ridiculous.
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And I would *never* send stuff back at restaurants :p Excuse me but I've worked in restaurants before, dropping food purposely on the floor, spitting in it (doesn't occur that much really), and other stuff -- no thanks for me. I don't complain too much about food, I'll just eat it and be a even if it isn't the way I want it. |
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| NiteMer |
| I'm sorry, but Office Managers are glorified secretaries, making a few cents and hour more. I was in outside sales for a long time and dealing with Office Managers was worthless. They hardly ever had any decision making powers and certainly couldn't convince the boss to make a purchase, in most instances. If I got stuck meeting one, I would always coach them into getting me an appointment with the decision maker. If that didn't happen, I could rest assured that I had a 2% chance of getting the deal. For them to have attitude and act like they own the office is sheerly absurd! |
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| Floorfiller |
oh and as far as my view of women as you are saying jamie...
well...i look at someone like my sister...
my sister is a good looking girl, but man does she know it. she has a real ing attitude about a lot of because she thinks that she is better then everyone else. i love my sis, but it really pisses me off when i'm driving in the car with her and she'll start yelling at people because they do something stupid...nothing is ever her fault of course. then also when you try to start a debate with her about something it always comes down to "i don't wanna talk about it" which is really a cop out for you're right, but i can't admit it as far as i'm concerned.
i dunno...i tend to associate women that are really aggressive with a similar personality and of course then, that becomes a huge turn off for me. i have no problems with women being strong minded or whatever, but i think too often its the product of other things which are really unattractive... |
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| NiteMer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
oh and as far as my view of women as you are saying jamie...
well...i look at someone like my sister...
my sister is a good looking girl, but man does she know it. she has a real ing attitude about a lot of because she thinks that she is better then everyone else. i love my sis, but it really pisses me off when i'm driving in the car with her and she'll start yelling at people because they do something stupid...nothing is ever her fault of course. then also when you try to start a debate with her about something it always comes down to "i don't wanna talk about it" which is really a cop out for you're right, but i can't admit it as far as i'm concerned.
i dunno...i tend to associate women that are really aggressive with a similar personality and of course then, that becomes a huge turn off for me. i have no problems with women being strong minded or whatever, but i think too often its the product of other things which are really unattractive... |
I agree. There's a fine line between being a strong woman and being a pain in the ass. Some toe the line and some cross straight over. I hate people that can't take responsibility for their actions. Instead of admitting they ed up and moving forward they have to try to continually defend themselves. Ughh! :whip: |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by trance85
I agree with you on the housewife thing, it seems very unusual to me that a woman would be fine sitting at home doing nothing for the rest of her life (aside from raising kids), it makes me think they almost have no purpose. As a practical example, I can't stand to see housewives on TV in walmart commercials and stuff that get all excited when a new dishwashing detergent comes out, it just makes me think they need to get a life and do something with themselves.
And yea, chicks can't be in the NFL, they would have to make a woman's league for that. Like it or not, women's bodies ARE more frail, not be sexist but this is just obvious, they can't handle getting hit and stuff the way guys can. And I noticed you said kicker, well, maybe kickers don't get hit all that much, but still its kind of ridiculous.
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And I would *never* send stuff back at restaurants :p Excuse me but I've worked in restaurants before, dropping food purposely on the floor, spitting in it (doesn't occur that much really), and other stuff -- no thanks for me. I don't complain too much about food, I'll just eat it and be a even if it isn't the way I want it. |
that's funny my boyfriend and i always joke because i notice how they always have these fat dorky looking chicks on the new lysol wipes commercial or some product of that nature...lol i don't really get mad, but i'm like, "why do they always show some dumb house wife" and of course my bf will be like, "cuz ur ass belongs in the kitchen cleaning!"
lol no but seriously that is funny and i notice it too (i'm majoring in advertising so i always notice that kind of stuff and laugh).
just like they show all these innercity kids on the mcdonald's commercials.
and i worked at an upscale steak house for 9 months and the service at that restuarant was perfect for the most part. people had to be greeted within 30 seconds of being seated, even if it's not your table. they implemented team work and the food was great, etc..
so i guess i judge all restaurants by those standards. I f’n hate it when I’m sitting at a restaurant waiting more than 5 minutes for my first round of drinks and I see like 2 servers just sitting there bullting. It’s like what the ? Just because it’s not their table they’re gonna sit there and watch us wait like 10 minutes before someone takes our drink order. That’s just unacceptable.
Hahah ok I guess I’m a bit bitchy about that stuff. But you know what? People go out to eat to avoid cooking and to relax and enjoy themselves. It really puts a damper on things when u have an waiter who could give 2 s about your dining experience. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
is it just me or are men becoming less and less agressive/confrontational these days? for some reason it just seems like all the females i know are more confrontational and "in your face" when they feel they've been screwed over, and all the men just crawl under a rug and hide.
and no i'm not trying to be all like, "i am woman hear me ROAR"...i'm not like that, but it's just a funny observation.
my dad, my 2 bosses, the guy i work with (file clerk) and my boyfriend... (i'm just listing all the men that i see and talk to on a daily basis) they are ALL pushovers... i mean i love them (dad and boyfriend), don't get me wrong, but when you won't even send a $50 overcooked filet mignon back because you ordered it rare, then there's a problem. it's like why are they all scared to "make a scene". i know women can be drama queens, but at least we stick up for ourselves.
like the other day my bf and i went to the cell phone store cuz his broke and the chick comes back from the back and she's like, "ok sir, we're not going to be able to replace it with that exact model, is that ok?"
my boyfriend: "yea sure"
i was like umm hello?! are u even going to make sure it's of equal or more value and has the same features and stuff as your other one? i gave him a a look and like whispered it and i could tell he was like, "jesus shut up will ya"! then he goes to her, "yea umm, it's going to have the same features right?" lol
i dunno maybe it's a chick thing. i just always seem to be the one fighting for us to get good service at a restaurant, or get refunds on some crap we got sold, or arguing w/ the airline for making us miss our flights and then getting a voucher...u know that sort of stuff.
guys are always just like, "yea whatever". |
maybe somehting worng with u! see i think ur just too materialistic. if im getting scrwed ill stand up for myself. directly screwed but if my hamburger is a lil burnt im not gonna make a scene over it. ever hear of the expression dont cry over spilt milk. |
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| Slylee |
i agree with you guys. i think i'm somewhere in the middle. no one likes a bitch, trust me i'm not a bitch at all, everyone who knows me will say i'm very "kind" and "easy going", but i'm kind of like FF...don't piss me off! haha it takes a lot for me to fly off the handle, but i definitely stand my ground when i need to about the little things too just so people realize i'm not some naive pushover. and i have no problem admitting fault or looking at myself objectively. i look at everything objectively to a fault, lol. it probably makes ppl question my loyalty.
some women were victims and have this chip on their shoulder and that's annoying, i know what you mean. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
maybe somehting worng with u! see i think ur just too materialistic. if im getting scrwed ill stand up for myself. directly screwed but if my hamburger is a lil burnt im not gonna make a scene over it. ever hear of the expression dont cry over spilt milk. |
u guys are missing the point...we were at a 5 star restaurant and it was a 50 dollar filet...not a ing burger. lol
who says i'm a materialistic bitch?? :stongue: |
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