|
Bandwagon !!! (pg. 5)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
that'd be funny if i was like, "oh man have u heard that new rock song by fiddy?" (that's 50 cent for those of you who don't like hip hop:toothless ) |
Well, how many elements of a rock song does it take to turn 50 into a rock artist?
Remember in 1998 or so when Fuzzbubble and some others did a rock remix of P. Diddy's It's All About the Benjamins? How would you classify that song? It clearly had power chords, rock drums, and distortion as an instrument, but all the vocalizations were raps. |
|
|
| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Genre defeninitions may exist with common factors between many different people, but when it comes down to it, those defenitions are subjective (different between each individual). One persons electro may be another person's synth pop; one person's trance may be another's house; one person's glam rock might be another's classic rock. This has nothing to do with the quality of the music. |
Well then let me tell you: Genres contain specific musical elements which define them and set them apart from other genres, allowing for their common grouping under one name. These musical elements are exclusive to each genre and subgenre, and while you or I may not be educated enough to describe them in specific detail, there they remain, objectively. If one person says a song is Electro, and one says it's Synthpop, either one is right and one is wrong, or they're both wrong. |
|
|
| kr00t0n |
| and he did the Come With Me thingy with Jimmy Page from LZ |
|
|
| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
Well then let me tell you: Genres contain specific musical elements which define them and set them apart from other genres, allowing for their common grouping under one name. These musical elements are exclusive to each genre and subgenre, and while you or I may not be educated enough to describe them in specific detail, there they remain, objectively. If one person says a song is Electro, and one says it's Synthpop, either one is right and one is wrong, or they're both wrong. |
And I would argue that they are both right. Who defines these genres? Is there a Global Genre Council(GGC) that sets forth the objective list of elements that a track must contain to be considered part of a genre? What happens when a track is equal parts of two genres?
I still believe that genre definitions are ultimately subjective, though I wouldn't wager on convincing you or anyone else of that anytime soon. |
|
|
| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
And I would argue that they are both right. |
You would argue from ignorance? That's logical fallacy, friend. Because so far I get the impression that you only believe what you believe because nobody has provided that the opposite can be true, that genres do indeed have specific definable qualities. Well i'm about to disabuse you of that.
| quote: | | Who defines these genres? |
Anyone who can discern the common musical elements of a genre.
| quote: | | What happens when a track is equal parts of two genres? |
Then a new subgenre may be created, such as Trancestep or Electrobass, or yes, Tech-House or Tech-Trance. Note that those are true fusions of two genres, unlike "Electro-House" or any other similar incarnate.
| quote: |
I still believe that genre definitions are ultimately subjective, though I wouldn't wager on convincing you or anyone else of that anytime soon. |
You believe wrong. For example, here's the genre definition of TRANCE:
| quote: | Trance is a form of music best characterized by quarter note drum patterns, and 16th/32nd note rhythm synthesizer patterns. It has a meter of 4/4 always, with a quarter note bassdrum acting as metronome, and quarter note high-hat hits offset. This unwavering drum mechanism may be constantly tweaked with for effect, with the attack, decay, resonance, frequency, tone, delay, reverb all given liberal treatment. The tempo is generally around 130-150 bpm.
The rhythm section consists mostly of a repeating 1-4-5 (A-D-E) 32nd note sequencing arpeggio, and a bass section of minor whole notes usually drifting through the aeolian scale (though not always). Additional rhythm sections are added and subtracted every 16 measures (sometimes 8, and sometimes 32) to add weight and anticipation to the composition. The bass chord will usually change every 4 measures. A typical trance song has 2-4 bass chords, tops.
There is a lead synth, and it will be a simple minor scale melody of 8th notes, looping every 4 measures (some have 2, some have 8. Some even have 16).
Trance is produced with computerized synthesizers, drum machines, and music sequencer software (sometimes MIDI, sometimes not). The average trance song has a polyphony of 8. The most busy will have 16. |
This isn't really under dispute. This is what all Trance music is. If it's not this, then it's not Trance music. None of your rhetorical nonsense "but who says this is trance" logically fallacious "arguments" will change that. You will find that this is trance not because one person says it is, but because every Trance song IS THIS. There is one of these for House, Techno, and so on. I have yet to find them. |
|
|
| Silky Johnson |
It's exactly this kind of over-classification of music that kills it. Sure, it's practical...but jesus, good music is music, period.
There's a Chinese proverb...something to the effect of "When the bird explains its song, it is no longer singing." |
|
|
| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
It's exactly this kind of over-classification of music that kills it. Sure, it's practical...but jesus, good music is music, period.
There's a Chinese proverb...something to the effect of "When the bird explains its song, it is no longer singing." |
this is the reason why i avoid MD section. bunch of bickering nerds trying to prove they have a bigger penis. |
|
|
| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
this is the reason why i avoid MD section. bunch of bickering nerds trying to prove they have a bigger penis. |
as opposed tooooo....what in the COR? |
|
|
| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
as opposed tooooo....what in the COR? |
the major difference is MD ppl take themselves seriously. like their opinion is important :stongue: |
|
|
| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
this is the reason why i avoid MD section. bunch of bickering nerds trying to prove they have a bigger penis. |
I think know-it-all types lack true passion...so they think that by spewing out a bunch of "facts", it somehow shows they're really into whatever they're blabbing on a about. It's not a competition, losers. |
|
|
| Estella |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
It's exactly this kind of over-classification of music that kills it. Sure, it's practical...but jesus, good music is music, period.
There's a Chinese proverb...something to the effect of "When the bird explains its song, it is no longer singing." |
*throws a Marigold on stage
The Chinese ripped that from Oprah and Toni Morrison. |
|
|
| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
*throws a Marigold on stage |
hello possems
 |
|
|
|
|
