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Bandwagon !!! (pg. 9)
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
who is her audience? a group of ANTS?? |
i'm talking about her broadway show. never seen her talk show. she's not everyone cup of tea. |
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| Silky Johnson |
Heehee, you missed the joke IGK!
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Heehee, you missed the joke IGK!
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palm of hand + ants. i got the joke :rolleyes::p |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Noooo..the Zoolander joke. Blargh! |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Noooo..the Zoolander joke. Blargh! |
i didn't see Zoolander :o
*runs to the video store |
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| tribu |
Ahhh, where to begin. Well, I clearly agree with jennypie, for one.
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
You would argue from ignorance? That's logical fallacy, friend. Because so far I get the impression that you only believe what you believe because nobody has provided that the opposite can be true, that genres do indeed have specific definable qualities. Well i'm about to disabuse you of that. |
I believe what I believe because Ive heard hundreds of definitions of genres from people exactly like you. This has lead me to the conclusion that everyone makes their own definitions based on what they hear as reocurring elements in songs they define as part of a genre.
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Anyone who can discern the common musical elements of a genre.
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This is almost a chicken/egg problem. Which came first, the elements or the genre? They need each other to co-exist, but I guess that you will say that the elements came first and that eventually so many songs were similarly created that a genre was born. However, no common definition exists; there is no textbook definition of trance, despite your attempts to provide one.
| quote: | | Then a new subgenre may be created, such as Trancestep or Electrobass, or yes, Tech-House or Tech-Trance. Note that those are true fusions of two genres, unlike "Electro-House" or any other similar incarnate. |
You're claiming to know the truth? Are you a musical professor? Do you have a P.H.D in the study of music; specifically the current brands of electronic music that have emerged over the last 30+ years? I'm guessing you don't which removes any scholarly credibility from that statement; it only says that you don't consider them valid subgenres because they don't fit your definitions. I don't disagree that new sub-genre's are creatable.
| quote: | | This isn't really under dispute. This is what all Trance music is. If it's not this, then it's not Trance music. None of your rhetorical nonsense "but who says this is trance" logically fallacious "arguments" will change that. You will find that this is trance not because one person says it is, but because every Trance song IS THIS. There is one of these for House, Techno, and so on. I have yet to find them. |
This is under dispute. In the early 90s, did a group of producers get together and decide to create the subgenre of trance? Did they sit down and decide the exact elements that would go into it, allowing no room for growth? Again, I doubt they did. This is a definition of trance made by somone else that you find acceptable because it fits your views on the genre. Additionally, my argument is not intended to change anything, but to provoke thought. Where did your genre definitions come from? Why do you stratify them the way you do? Why do tyou feel the need to stratify at all? Why do you place so much importance on such strict and deliberate categorization?
For me, I have decided that everyone defines genres for their own purposes, and while similarities will always exist between the definitions of several people, you will always find labels, artists and songs, that two people stratify differently. This does not make one wrong and one right, but it means they have two different definitions: They are bothg right within their own world scopes.
I'm not sure you're one to question much of what you've already decided, though I have no doubt youll be retorting with your views on the subject. |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I believe what I believe because Ive heard hundreds of definitions of genres from people exactly like you. This has lead me to the conclusion that everyone makes their own definitions based on what they hear as reocurring elements in songs they define as part of a genre. |
I doubt you've heard any definitions from someone "exactly like me", and you haven't heard a definition anywhere near as accurate as the one I presented you.
| quote: | | This is almost a chicken/egg problem. Which came first, the elements or the genre? They need each other to co-exist, but I guess that you will say that the elements came first and that eventually so many songs were similarly created that a genre was born. |
Yeah, that's pretty much how it works, most of the time.
| quote: | | However, no common definition exists; there is no textbook definition of trance, despite your attempts to provide one. |
I just provided you with one. Deal with it. Or don't.
| quote: | | You're claiming to know the truth? Are you a musical professor? Do you have a P.H.D in the study of music; specifically the current brands of electronic music that have emerged over the last 30+ years? I'm guessing you don't which removes any scholarly credibility from that statement; |
Nobody has a P.H.D. in the study of electronic music that have emerged in the last 30 years. But I hope you're not saying that because I lack one, none of my statements about music are valid. That's coming dangerously close to being an ad hominem attack.
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it only says that you don't consider them valid subgenres because they don't fit your definitions. |
I don't consider them valid subgenres because their name is derived from media buzz rather than the fusion of musical elements.
| quote: | | In the early 90s, did a group of producers get together and decide to create the subgenre of trance? Did they sit down and decide the exact elements that would go into it, allowing no room for growth? Again, I doubt they did. |
What a group of producers did in the early 90's is make a kind of music that used common musical elements. This music that had enough producers and fans and backing, garnered the name "Trance" worldwide when a trance label called MFS released a Trance-themed compilation in 1992. There is plenty of room for growth. That's why there are a gazillion subgenres within the larger umbrella of Trance. That "definition" I gave you is actually sufficiently AMBIGUOUS, allowing room for change, if you understand it correctly.
| quote: | | This is a definition of trance made by somone else that you find acceptable because it fits your views on the genre. Where did your genre definitions come from? Why do you stratify them the way you do? Why do tyou feel the need to stratify at all? Why do you place so much importance on such strict and deliberate categorization? |
I find it acceptable because it describes every kind of trance i've ever heard. And i've heard most kinds. Where "My" or THE genre definitions come from is irrelevant. Why do people call Vanilla ice cream vanilla ice cream? What if I want to call strawberry ice cream CHOCOLATE! WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO STRATIFY IT ALL? I don't feel the need to answer your rhetorical questions.
| quote: | | I'm not sure you're one to question much of what you've already decided, |
Ditto. |
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| Silky Johnson |
^^^
Holy edit. Thought about that one a little longer, did ya? |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
^^^
Holy edit. Thought about that one a little longer, did ya? |
Didn't edit, deleted then posted anew. Yes, I did. I was in a hurry the first time. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
Didn't edit, deleted then posted anew. Yes, I did. I was in a hurry the first time. |
Well I read the first one, and judging from the stuff you added...you really love to hear your own voice...errr read your own words, hmm?
Your narcissism along with your other displayed behaviour really does lead me to believe that you wish to portray yourself as a sociopath.
You're an interesting fella.
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
you really love to hear your own voice...errr read your own words, hmm? |
You judged wrong. How did you come to this judgement? I'd like to know.
| quote: | | Your narcissism along with your other displayed behaviour really does lead me to believe that you wish to portray yourself as a sociopath. |
Explain how i've been narcissistic, please. If anything i'm the opposite of narcissistic, whatever that is. I don't even know what I want to portray myself as here.
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You're an interesting fella.
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Oh goodie. |
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