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Canadian Hospitals SUCK ASS !!!! (pg. 8)
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| Blu3z |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
so i got my first taste of Canadian hospitals. and hopefully the last.
i got a massive cut on my finger and was bleeding like a moofoo so a friend drove to north york general hospital. i sat in the stupid ER room or whateva thay call it here for 4 and half hours and still no one looked after me and i kept bleeding. my whole shirt from bottom was covered in blood. i told the nurses i am feeling dizzy and i need help right away but nope. bitches just kept walking around making jokes about x-mas and what not. and its not like it was super busy. maybe 3 other ppl before me and 2 ppl on the ambulance carts.
the lady who was ahead of me kindly said to the nurse that she can wait but they shud check out me.... u guys wouldnt beleive what the nurse said ... " he will be ok he is not dying "
at that point i got up ... gave everyone in that room a peice of my mind ... got a applaude from other ppl waiting and walked out. went to shoppers and begged the guy behind the pharmacy to help me and he finally put some bandages and what not. what a miserable and hopless situation. i need about 6 stiches, the cut has stopped bleeding cos the pharmacy d00d put some vitamin E on it. i mean if u r bleeding and u tell them ass clowns that u feel dizzy ummm isnt that kind of a indication that i need immediate help. blah. |
Damn, my friends though I had alcohol poisoning and they checked me out like an hour later. |
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| m2j |
| quote: | Originally posted by beatjunkie
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| MLB |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Ah come on, you've never heard the term "Bramgladesh?" I think Brampton's population is about 80% from Pakistan or India. :p
You're very right about the earlier post though. I think Canada is already far too lax with respect to illegal immigrants and refugees - I just have no sympathy whatsoever for people who come into this country illegally and then complain about it. I understand if their lives were in their home countries and they just had to get out, but if you're going to do that, you take whatever you can get! Maybe if they spent more time applying for citizenship/permanent residence and less time bitching they'd actually have the jobs they want.
Make no mistake, this country was built on immigrants. HARDWORKING, LEGAL immigrants. I have nothing but respect for people who decide to take control of their lives and leave their home countries not knowing what awaits them, but those people should realize that this is a RISK, not a sure thing, and unlucky people may get the shaft. |
thats just a assumption your making, for your facts i came in the right way,so get it right.
I know many people who come the right way, just because they cant speak the language well doesnt mean they cant do it right. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
not only the training and language isn't the same... their medical and criminal background got to be checked, you don't know what these guys did in their home country and got them to leave... we don't want others' rejects. |
these are checked for all immigrants when they apply regardless of profession. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I don't know the particular woman you're referring to and I'm certainly not making any claims about her abilities - it's very possible that some qualified people really do slip through the cracks.
However, I hear enough sob stories about doctors and other professionals who aren't allowed to work here, but the people I hear them from always manage to casually dismiss the fact that medicine and laws aren't the same in every country and that the language barrier alone is often enough to cause problems. This is why we have international accreditation - many professionals from overseas CAN get their "normal" jobs here IF they've come from an accredited program.
We also have schools here that are not only willing to admit, but ecstatic about admitting intelligent students from overseas. And people in those countries know that - and they know that it is often not difficult for them to get financial aid. However, some choose to try and take the "back door" and go to a local school that is easier and perhaps cheaper, without realizing (I should say without bothering to do sufficient research) that it simply won't qualify them to get a job in Canada or the USA.
Again, I'm by no means suggesting that every qualified professional from overseas gets a job that matches their credentials. The problem in question, though, is greatly overstated and hideously oversimplified when touted by liberals as an excuse to lower the standards. Very often the problem is that these people simply can't speak fluent English - and quite frankly, I don't want to see a doctor that I can't understand and I'd be very uncomfortable getting operated on by a surgeon who has to make time-critical decisions and can't think of the right word for the instrument he/she wants. It's bad enough having to deal with these people when I call a tech support line or order my lunch, but it's absolutely unacceptable to have those people making life-or-death decisions for me.
The problem with our health care system here is NOT that we aren't allowing enough immigrants with medical degrees to work in it. We have those standards for a reason. The problem with our health care system is that it is run by the government, provided for "free", and as such leads to enormous waste, horrible inefficiency and bureaucratic red tape. |
My friend who is a teacher is very qualified to teach here. But she would have to take her B.ed completely over again. What a waste. Why didnt they tell her this when she applied as a teacher to immigrate here? What a scam! We demand that our immigrants be educated when they apply and even grade them based on their profession only to tell them when they get here that they arent good enough.
And you all assume that foreign trained doctors and teachers arent as well educated. Youd be surprised at the rigourous education demands of some countries. Most of us would fail miserably. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
these are checked for all immigrants when they apply regardless of profession. |
maybe skimming criminal records but in no way the professional record, its not the case right now. |
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| malek |
My friend is a computer engineer, twelve years experience, completed masters in France, worked in Japan, France and Syria.
When he arrived here, he observed that engineering here is on a completly different level and that he had to go back to school.
Which is fine by him, its part of the deal of emmigrating to a new country.
Meanwhile he landed himeself an IT help desk support, he's way over qualified but it pays the bills and beats working as a janitor for example, he'll be back in school in 2006.
Some people have the will to study some more, and some don't.
Its their problem. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MLB
thats just a assumption your making, for your facts i came in the right way,so get it right.
I know many people who come the right way, just because they cant speak the language well doesnt mean they cant do it right. |
Wow, a little defensive today?
I can't recall at any point saying that all immigrants are illegal, or even that immigrants who can't speak fluent English are illegal. In fact, I'm quite certain that my entire post centered around the fact that there are many legal immigrants who make a conscientious effort to learn the ways of our society - and that because of that fact, illegal immigrants or legal immigrants who refuse to "be assimilated" should not be entitled to any special treatment. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
My friend who is a teacher is very qualified to teach here. But she would have to take her B.ed completely over again. What a waste. Why didnt they tell her this when she applied as a teacher to immigrate here? What a scam! We demand that our immigrants be educated when they apply and even grade them based on their profession only to tell them when they get here that they arent good enough. |
Did she ask? Perhaps they would have told her this, if she had done so? Think about that. There are also standards here for teaching that go beyond a simple B.Ed - yes, the B.Ed qualifies you to "teach", but the specific subject you wish to teach may require additional qualifications, like math or English or social sciences courses.
| quote: | | And you all assume that foreign trained doctors and teachers arent as well educated. Youd be surprised at the rigourous education demands of some countries. Most of us would fail miserably. |
I assumed no such thing. I simply stated that many professionals from overseas who are rejected for work here are rejected because they just don't meet the requirements. Language is the most common, but in other fields (particularly medicine, law, and engineering) there may be other differences. I'm not even saying that the standards are "higher" here - just that they are different, many of the rules and nuances are different and could get people into trouble if they worked here in those professions.
To be quite honest, though, it's really only grade school that's dumbed down in North America. This is a generalization, but a fairly accurate one: the best graduate and professional courses are in the U.S. and the U.K. No matter what happens in the grade school and undergraduate levels, professionals are held to a VERY high standard. "Most" of us might "fail miserably", but "most" of us aren't professionals in those fields (and being an engineer, I seriously suggest you put a sock in it if you're even thinking about arguing that).
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
My friend is a computer engineer, twelve years experience, completed masters in France, worked in Japan, France and Syria.
When he arrived here, he observed that engineering here is on a completly different level and that he had to go back to school.
Which is fine by him, its part of the deal of emmigrating to a new country.
Meanwhile he landed himeself an IT help desk support, he's way over qualified but it pays the bills and beats working as a janitor for example, he'll be back in school in 2006.
Some people have the will to study some more, and some don't.
Its their problem. |
Good for him. It can be tough going back to school after being in the working world - I think that's why so many people complain - but he knows what he has to do and he's doing it. No doubt he'll enjoy success later on because of that. |
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| Jayx1 |
The Ontario College of Teachers requires canadian training and experience. They will not look at anyone unless they have these accredations with possible exception of the United States. And she did ask. They said that "canada needs teachers" which is why she was given immigrant points for her profession. Never could she have imagined the beurocratic nightmare that is the ontario college of teachers nor did anyone tell her.
At the canadian embassy it's much like our sitting government. Dont worry be happy and deal with it later. All they want are immigrants to fill up their quotas and will misrepresent the truth in order to get them. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The Ontario College of Teachers requires canadian training and experience. They will not look at anyone unless they have these accredations with possible exception of the United States. |
Is this not publicly available information? |
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| MLB |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Wow, a little defensive today?
I can't recall at any point saying that all immigrants are illegal, or even that immigrants who can't speak fluent English are illegal. In fact, I'm quite certain that my entire post centered around the fact that there are many legal immigrants who make a conscientious effort to learn the ways of our society - and that because of that fact, illegal immigrants or legal immigrants who refuse to "be assimilated" should not be entitled to any special treatment. |
get a life you nerd, mr politcally correct, i dont see you on tv.
;) :D |
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