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| eFeKz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
people, who think like you, go on their peace-keeping and educational missions to middle-east. the next thing they know, they're standing on their knees with a knife to their throat in front of a camera begging their government to release so many muslim inmates or whatever.
you have to understand it: this is not about education. they don't want your culture, they don't want your values, and they don't want your education. |
+1 they want the world for themselves, and everyone else can go die. it states in the koran something to the effect of "convert the infidel or kill them.":nervous: |
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| eFeKz |
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
then I'd rather die trying to make the world a better place. People like you would happily shoot first, ask questions later.Dont tell me those palestinians dont want peace. Dont tell me they dont want proper living conditions and have a happy life. Everyone does. Whether ur a jew,muslim, buddist, hindu,atheist whatever.
I have a friend who was a devout muslim. Heck, he even went to mecca and prayed 5 times a day like what Islam says in the Quran. Now hes an atheist and is more at peace with himself than ever.He told me religion couldnt answer the questions he was looking for.I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong.
What i'm saying is, people can change and be open minded when u know what buttons to push. |
being open minded towards the allowing of change to something, especially a religious topic, is a cultural value, which the middle eastern culture will most CERTAINLY not allow, as their islamic interpretation is EXTREMELY radical and conservative. |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by eFeKz
+1 they want the world for themselves, and everyone else can go die. it states in the koran something to the effect of "convert the infidel or kill them.":nervous: |
PLEASE PLEASE find me that quote....
Would help me with every debate with every moron muslim i have to encounter that disses *OUR* lifestyle. |
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| eFeKz |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
PLEASE PLEASE find me that quote....
Would help me with every debate with every moron muslim i have to encounter that disses *OUR* lifestyle. |
I will keep you posted as i continue my search for the exact passage. |
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| trewqy |
Then , give it a few generations and religion would be totally wiped out. World peace.
With the current rate of globalization, it wouldnt take long before a nightclub opens beside the vatican city. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
Then , give it a few generations and religion would be totally wiped out. World peace.
With the current rate of globalization, it wouldnt take long before a nightclub opens beside the vatican city. |
Vatican city is already a club.
Its not about religion, its about tourism. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
PLEASE PLEASE find me that quote....
Would help me with every debate with every moron muslim i have to encounter that disses *OUR* lifestyle. |
as a matter of fact, Quran only says | quote: | | "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." |
(http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_jihad.htm), but unfortunately, fundamentalists can manipulate this statement very easily to affect the younger muslims:( |
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| Jocker |
Also, from there:
| quote: | | A small percentage of Muslims who are from the extreme, radical and violent wing of Islamic Fundamentalism, and who are "...passionate, [deeply] religious and anti-Western..." might dwell on passages or verses dealing with conflict, war, and resistance to oppression. Many conclude that the Qur'an expects them to engage in acts of terrorism, assassinations, suicide bombings, armed aggression against persons of other religions, oppression of women, executing innocent persons, etc. |
unfortunately, a "small percentage" is not that small, as it appears nowadays. |
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| occrider |
Let's not forget the true victims in this entire affair ... the Israeli flag makers:
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Gaza shopkeeper stocks up on Danish flags to burn
06 Feb 2006 16:58:04 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Nidal al-Mughrabi
GAZA, Feb 6 (Reuters) - When entrepreneur Ahmed Abu Dayya first heard that Danish caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were being reprinted across Europe, he knew exactly what his customers in Gaza would want: flags to burn.
Abu Dayya ordered 100 hard-to-find Danish and Norwegian flags for his Gaza City shop and has been doing a swift trade.
"I do not take political stands. It is all business," he said in an interview. "But this time I was offended by the assault on the Prophet Mohammad."
A wave of anger has swept the Muslim world over the publication of the cartoons, one of which shows the Prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb.
First printed in Denmark, the cartoons have appeared in newspapers across Europe, as well as in the United States.
While normally hard to come by in isolated Gaza, Danish and Norwegian flags are now popping up at daily protests, increasingly replacing Israel's Star of David.
It's not clear how many merchants apart from Abu Dayya are offering the flags, but they appear to be readily available. Angry Muslims set the flags ablaze or tear them to pieces.
At a protest on Monday outside European Union offices in Gaza, dozens of Palestinian students chanted: "Down with Denmark. Down with Norway. With our blood and with our souls, we will sacrifice for our Prophet."
In Beirut and Damascus, mobs set Danish and Norwegian embassies on fire.
"I knew there would be a demand for the flags because of the angry reaction of people over the offence to Prophet Mohammad," said Abu Dayya, whose PLO Flag Shop also sells souvenirs and presents.
He sells his Danish and Norwegian flags for $11 a piece -- a price he acknowledged might be dampening sales. Many protesters prefer to save money and make the flags themselves from scraps of fabric, he said.
Abu Dayya sources some of his flags from suppliers in Taiwan, but he buys Israeli flags from a merchant in Israel, even though he sells them to be burnt at anti-Israeli rallies.
Flag-making has been a growth business for Abu Dayya for years, thanks to orders by Palestinian militant groups for national flags and banners bearing the symbols of armed factions.
Last year, he said the Palestinian Authority ordered 60,000 flags ahead of Israel's withdrawal from Gaza. Workers at one factory stitched some 3,000 pennants a day.
While the flag merchant said the Danish cartoons upset him, he urged fellow Gazans not to punish Danish citizens collectively, citing their humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people.
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Those clever Danes are trying to cash in on Israel's lucrative flag making/burning industry. |
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| LiquidNitrogen |
In today's world no one religion is good enough for any one of us ... most of the people are immatured to actually understand and for the little those who do understand are so insecured that they are driven more by the society or family.
I was born in a Hindu family but now turned to be an atheist and do not use my second family name i.e. surname. I feel lucky that my parents gave me enough liberty and independence to actually go out and choose something I like (I never cared what society would say if i don't follow my religion).
Personally (please pardon me if it hurts your feeling but this is MY VERY OWN OPINION and doesn't mean to hurt your sentiments ... ) i don't respect any religion that dictates what to wear, what to eat and what to do or what not to do with others. This is not how life was meant to be. I have different perspective at life and it has just one meaning to me - i.e. to being adventerous and learn. Be yourself.
Most of the society or religion that i have read about only makes me feel that those who started the so called religion felt insecured from women or had some issues with it... some how or the other its the women always that suffer.
Life is beautiful guys so please lets not waste time on immatured things. They say Life is too short to be serious so enjoy and stay happy and make other feel good at the same time ... Enjoy the Silence ;)
cheers
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen
In today's world no one religion is good enough for any one of us ... |
Except Buddhism.
I stopped reading there. |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by eFeKz
I will keep you posted as i continue my search for the exact passage. |
Found them!
Killing Infidels in the Quran:
-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
-Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
-If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
-Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Source:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.c...uelty/long.html
Wow, disguisting. |
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