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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
i thought this was a public forum where anyone can share their opinions on political matters, even if they aren't well fundamented?
i get the impression some regular posters here at PDD are more elitist than half the people over there in the music discussion room |
There's a difference between those who are expressing opinions, even if they aren't well founded, in order to engender a serious discussion and those who are simply throwing around insults trying to stir up with no other purpose in mind. It was barely tolerable when that type of behaviour was confined to the Israel vs. Palestine thread (which resulted in many people just not clicking on any of those threads anymore), but now it's starting to creep into the rest of the forum with increasing regularity. They have a right (and they do because nobody is asking to ban them) to spout the that they do, but it's elitist for others to call them out on their bull? No one is looking for exclusivity (that would be rather boring), just a little maturity. |
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| OurManFlint |
I love how Shamen DJ's posts this.....
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
When have you ever said anything intelligent to explain your "Conservative" views if you are a real conservative, and not just trying to offend people. You dont have any right to be calling anyone "Liberal Whacos" if you dont have an intelligent explaination to as why the Conservative way is any better. I'm seriously believing now that Conservatives have nothing left to offer this country because all they can come up with is name calling.
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And then two posts down, Kapedan posts this....
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Shamen, do you have a life? I mean you post all these long threads dude, is PDD your full time job or what. |
Kapedan, you're really not too smart there, are you? |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
excuse me? i don't agree in the slightest with Kapedan's points of view (using "points of view" very loosely here) but why do you feel yourself with the right of demanding high quality from other posters? i thought this was a public forum where anyone can share their opinions on political matters, even if they aren't well fundamented?
i get the impression some regular posters here at PDD are more elitist than half the people over there in the music discussion room |
It can be very disheartening for members whom have been regular participants on this forum for years now having to watch what once was a great forum degenerate into a corrish slag match. I myself have spent several hours on single posts hundreds of times, and that's nothing compared to the time and effort people like Opus and Occy have put into this forum over the years; my knowledge of politics would be pitiful if it wasn't for people like them and renegade, tito, st_andrew, et. al.
I think they have a right to be indignant when these nooby trolls are destroying a forum they've put so much time and effort into. There have been many PDD regulars who've already stopped frequenting the forum because of how much it has degenerated, and if this continues more are going to leave one by one until there will be nothing of substance left. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
excuse me? i don't agree in the slightest with Kapedan's points of view (using "points of view" very loosely here) but why do you feel yourself with the right of demanding high quality from other posters? i thought this was a public forum where anyone can share their opinions on political matters, even if they aren't well fundamented?
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I'm sort of repeating tathi here, but you need to understand that the hostility, you see from the regulars these days, is not necessarily born out of a need to promote oneself by patronizing others. As I see it, the quality of this forum has gone down drastically these last six months. Previously we didn't have that big of an influx of new regular posters in here, but those that did start posting realized that this section was very different from the others on TA, and hence opened up to it, and made an effort. The respect was due to the high standard of posts. Now that we have morons talking out of their ass, bringing the uncool kiddy atmosphere to all threads of this area, I (for one) fear that potentially interesting TAs will fail to see any reason for starting to post in here, and the forum will die a slow death as old posters retire. I happen to care about this forum and people on it, so I try to fight it.
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
i get the impression some regular posters here at PDD are more elitist than half the people over there in the music discussion room |
What's wrong with elitism? And why is it always the intelligent people who are condemned for being elitists? I've yet to hear anyone complain about Tiesto for not producing more tracks with that unknown untalented producer from down the street. Or about soccer players that won't allow untalented players onto their team. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
What's wrong with elitism? And why is it always the intelligent people who are condemned for being elitists? I've yet to hear anyone complain about Tiesto for not producing more tracks with that unknown untalented producer from down the street. Or about soccer players that won't allow untalented players onto their team. |
These analogies aren't very well done in my opinion: we don't debate in this forum to create products that are sold or presented to an awful lot of people (like Tiesto's music), neither to win matches in a competition. We debate here because we find it interesting and feel the need to voice our opinion.
Anyway, I now realise my previous comment was a bit out of context since I feel Kapedan is only here to stir up , not exactly to give an opinion. I wrote that because it seemed to me MisterOpus was being a bit arrogant, and that pissed me off. However, I still believe in my original claim: any brainless dumb has the right to write what he thinks here, whether you like it or not.
I can understand being annoyed at the level of discussion being dumbed down, that has happened in other sections of this community, however this section seems pretty unique in the way people sometimes glorify themselves and the debates they participate in. |
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| Kapedan |
Thanks for sticking up for me Paranoik0 :).
Anyways, why cant I post in this forum? Just because I'm 17, I cant? Since when? Anyways for all of you who say that all these bags (maybe incl me) come in here and ruin ur little PDD paradise, well maybe this isnt a paradise, when alot of you people here actually agree with each other, theres a few people in here like me who will talk back at u and wont agree with you at all. I dont want to include names because theres too many of you, but all of you sound like idiots to me, and I will tell you that, I dont mind. I can act intelligent, because I am, but I dont get the point at how everyone here takes crap too seriously.
I know its not COR, i hate COR anyways, but you guys need to chill on how serious you take things. Its not like most of you are senators and congressmen or even politicians are very important. So yeah...you arent here to make laws or change the world, your just debate and share your views and get flamed. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Well I mean, I am 17. Your propobly 25 or so. Im still in school and plus I work alot too, but whenever I have free time, I'm here. |
Then learn this; it's ok to have an opinion but make damn sure you explain yourself as to why you feel that way, cite some examples.
It's not enough to think we can read minds. It's hard to do face to face, and as you'll find should you sucumb to reason, even harder online. Or risk coming across as some ignoramous loud-mouth with nothing to contribute or debate and no one will take you seriously.
You WILL get opposing viewpoints so try not fall into the trap of name calling. As much as I try not too, we all do it to a certain extent but normally we come to some resonable conclusion if not the death of the thread...
Politics is serious. It affects everyone in a real world, but that doesn't mean we look down our glasses at everyone else or can't poke fun at each other now and again.
What we do find assine are open ended, off the cuff comments with absoultely NO SUPPORT.
No link, no article, no reasoning, just that they felt compelled to spew and leave us all wondering what the point was exactly. In other words, don't waste our time or yours with posting what we can easily classify as C0R material...if we wanted to go to C0R, we'd post in C0R with the other kiddies...
I hope you understand what we're getting at.
New blood, as Opus has mentioned, is always welcome, but try not to jump right into the meat grinder on the first step... :p ;) |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Thanks for sticking up for me Paranoik0 :).
you guys need to chill on how serious you take things. Its not like most of you are senators and congressmen or even politicians are very important. So yeah...you arent here to make laws or change the world, your just debate and share your views and get flamed. |
After reading this, I'm really not sure why you are on a political forum, or if you even intend on voting when you turn 18. I also suspect several people on this forum might run for future political positions & probably win. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
After reading this, I'm really not sure why you are on a political forum, or if you even intend on voting when you turn 18. I also suspect several people on this forum might run for future political positions & probably win. |
Like I said, because I can. I enjoy politics and I enjoy idiot liberals post non-sense in these boards, and I try to share some of my views which you seem to hate. I do intend to vote the next elections, in fact I cant wait. Maybe one day I'll run for office, but thats going to be when I'm propobly 50. Politics arent my first priority in life, money comes first, then politics. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
Anyway, I now realise my previous comment was a bit out of context since I feel Kapedan is only here to stir up , not exactly to give an opinion. I wrote that because it seemed to me MisterOpus was being a bit arrogant, and that pissed me off. However, I still believe in my original claim: any brainless dumb has the right to write what he thinks here, whether you like it or not. |
Well I apologize if I appeared arrogant. I tend to have this darn habit of being outspoken when I get a wee bit passionate about things. I felt this point of the forum going to was long past due for one of my personal rants.
And as I've stated previously, I also believe exactly what you believe. Anyone can say anything that they want.
But at the same token, expect to have some of us call out the inane bull when we consider it enough.
| quote: | | I can understand being annoyed at the level of discussion being dumbed down, that has happened in other sections of this community, however this section seems pretty unique in the way people sometimes glorify themselves and the debates they participate in. |
Well I guess us old farts have to take pride in something ;). |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Thanks for sticking up for me Paranoik0 :). |
I'll let paranoiko speak for himself, but this doesn't sound like much of a stick up to me:
| quote: | | Anyway, I now realise my previous comment was a bit out of context since I feel Kapedan is only here to stir up , not exactly to give an opinion. |
Moving on:
| quote: | | Anyways, why cant I post in this forum? Just because I'm 17, I cant? |
Maybe it's because you fail to even read other's viewpoints. If you kindly scroll back to one of my previous posts I stated the following:
| quote: | | I don't give a how young or how old you are |
But I did explain it further:
| quote: | | present a ing descent argument, the whole lot of you noobs, or find another ing forum to annoy people with your ing asinine, unsupported commentary. |
You with me so far, chief? Age is irrelevant. Your unsupported assertions that do nothing to further the discourse but instead deliberately stir up amongst posters is what we had enough of here.
| quote: | | Anyways for all of you who say that all these bags (maybe incl me) come in here and ruin ur little PDD paradise, well maybe this isnt a paradise, when alot of you people here actually agree with each other, theres a few people in here like me who will talk back at u and wont agree with you at all. |
I've got a small challenge for you. Take a few days off and just read some posts. Or what's better, hit the search button and view some assorted topics. Terry Schiavo, Bush's wiretapping, Iraq War, presidential elections, you name it. You will find a wealth of disagreement and debate. You will find that many here disagree with one another.
But the trick is, more often than not we will all attempt to bring an argument with something behind it for support. Now the support may not be valid, and it may have holes in it, which a refutation by someone else usually follows to point this out. And on and on.
This is the essence of a debate. We want substance behind our statements (at least as much as possible, though admittedly that doesn't always happen). And this is exactly what you lack right now. We are all asking you to try to debate in good faith if you wish to debate at all.
But again, if you're not interested in debate, and are only interested in expressing your viewpoints that do nothing but label and generalize your opposition without support behind such generalizations, this is simply not the place for it. Meritless assertions and bull labels are for other forums.
| quote: | | I dont want to include names because theres too many of you, but all of you sound like idiots to me, and I will tell you that, I dont mind. I can act intelligent, because I am, but I dont get the point at how everyone here takes crap too seriously. |
Often times we don't. But you haven't made a very good impression with anyone, and I'd venture to say those sentiments are shared with individuals who share your conservative viewpoints. You don't speak well for them at all.
And it's quite clear that despite your self-assurance of your intelligence, you're having a pretty difficult time demonstrating that intelligence to others here. So here's your chance from this point forward. Demonstrate to us that you can actually carry an argument with merit and support. Perform some research on a point you wish to bring forth, bring that evidence into your argument (at least try more often than not), and I promise you the respect gained from everyone will be noticeable, even from individuals like myself with differing viewpoints.
| quote: | | I know its not COR, i hate COR anyways, but you guys need to chill on how serious you take things. |
You don't know us. Again, you're welcome to stick around and notice our humor when we present it. But overall, we take politics seriously because we know it's pretty ing serious business. It runs our world (and some would say, some of it is running us off the cliff...).
| quote: | | Its not like most of you are senators and congressmen or even politicians are very important. So yeah...you arent here to make laws or change the world, your just debate and share your views and get flamed. |
Which is irrelevant to any of use who appreciate a good debate on topics we feel passionate about. And although many of use are not running for office, we do make some appreciable contributions in our political world both financially and voluntarily.
And finally, we try not to flame each other too often. Of course it happens, but more often than not we try to flame the argument, not the person bringing the argument. That mentality you bring of flaming one another is not for this forum. Please try and understand these things.
| quote: | | I enjoy politics and I enjoy idiot liberals post non-sense in these boards, and I try to share some of my views which you seem to hate. |
Views come and go. If you cannot support such views with verifiable evidence, you'll continue to look more and more foolish and out of place. There are a number of conservatives here that do a much better job in supporting their positions, and at times I've even conceded their points because they have done well with backing up their claims with evidence.
You have continually failed to do this. We ask you and the rest of the newer folks here to at least try.
Are you willing to at least try? |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Are you willing to at least try? |
Well, since you are giving me all this feedback on how to become a better tranceaddict debater on this section, I will try my friend :). |
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