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what do u think of legal prostitution? (pg. 8)
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
I'm going with what the previous two (edit: three) posters said: the legalisation of prostitution isn't so much about the abolition of old laws as it is about the creation of new ones. Given that prostitution has existed in virtually every society since the dawn of civilization (hence the phrase, "the oldest profession in the world") making prostitution illegal in liberal, 21st societies isn't going to do much to stamp it out. If we make it legal, however, then we can regulate it and ensure that the women are treated well, paid well and remain free to leave or enter the profession as they please.
Even taking this into account, a better question than "Why should we make it legal?" would be "Why should we make it illegal"? If someone is willing to pay for sex and someone is willing to accept money for sex, what authority does the government have to prevent such a transaction? You could argue that it could be made illegal because prostitution puts women in danger, but I would argue that the legalisation (and therefore regulation) of prostitution would make them safer. You could argue that it degrades women, I would argue that taking hundreds of dollars from desperate men for 30 minutes of sex actually empowers these women in a way. You could argue that it is morally reprehensible, I would argue that the government has no right to legislate on matters of morality where the act is voluntary on behalf of all those participating in it. If you find prostitution so morally offensive, there is a solution - never solicit or become a prostitute! Why is this approach towards issues of personal morality so difficult for conservative didacts to follow? |
+1. Well said. |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
From Febuary's issue of UPFRONT Magazine Windsor, Ontario
Want to gamble with something other than money?
How about your sexual health! Ask for illicit sex & you shall recieve. Prostitution is legal here! Now remember, you cant solicit it. Or at least, dont tell anyone that you did. New to the process, unsure of where to start? Try the escort services if you like treating yourself, or one of the countless "massage parlors" if you're looking for something not too expensive & relatively simple. If you feel like slumming it, just take a drive down Wyandotte. If it's female and it's on Wyandotte, chances are you an buy it by the hour. But dont pay too much, you'll "pay" enough in pain and medical bills later. Not a risk taker? May'be you'd prefer the voyeuristic pleasures offered by any of our many gentlemens clubs. Girls take their clothes off, but keep any diseases they might have to themselves. Unless you're willing to pay extra that it.
We all know that sex with strippers is good, but sex with stripper on coke is unbeatable!
Windsor is a fantastic destination for even the most drug seasoned tourist... v |
LOL - Not very surprised there... |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
I think what it really comes down to it, since no actual argument has been made, what are the benifits of legal prostitution? Outside of tax revenue. Because the same thing could be said to crack as well. |
People would be more productive because they would actually get a sexual release. Also, people wouldn't have to waste as much time trying to find a sexual partner that isn't going to be more than a one night stand. This would permit said person to do other things, potentially socially beneficial, with their time instead of blowing a night trying to pick up some girl in a bar in order to just get laid. The tax aspect was already mentioned, but it would also give someone the opportunity to have a job if they want it when they might otherwise be leeching off the government. People are given all sorts of talents and abilities and some might appreciate the option of using their sexual prowess to their own financial advantage.
As for the STD thing, the porn industry, since AIDS became more common, has a pretty good track record of keeping STDs out. Many of them work without condoms, yet still manage to remain free of STDs as a result of the safety restrictions in place, such as mandatory STD testing. Their infection rates are actually much lower than mainstream society. I remember seeing Ron Jeremy's biography a few years back where he was asked about it and responded that he's had 2 STDs in his life (both bacterial and cured) and both of them occurred BEFORE he started in porn. In the past 20 years (and god knows how many women), he's remained STD-free. |
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| deprivation |
Probably will be unpopular, but I think prostitution should be illegal. It degrades the women who are prostitutes and whether they admit or not causes lots of guilt and problems. It leads the women to being slaves to either money, drugs, alcohol or all of them.
The men who have sex with them usually are cheating on their wives which causes them pain too. The men then end up not respecting women and see the prostitute and their wives with less respect. Single men who have sex with prostitutes will also lose respect with women and it will impact any chance of a future relationship with a woman.
As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone they cared about, realizes that sex is better when you love the other person.
The short term sexual satisfcation with a prostitute may be good, but long term it hurts all those involved. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
Probably will be unpopular, but I think prostitution should be illegal. It degrades the women who are prostitutes and whether they admit or not causes lots of guilt and problems. |
if it would be so degrading and cause so many problems, i'm sure the girls (and guys) would stop doing it, unless it's worth their time despite that. ;)
who are you to decide that for them anyway?
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
It leads the women to being slaves to either money, drugs, alcohol or all of them. |
which is different to mainstream society how?
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
The men who have sex with them usually are cheating on their wives which causes them pain too. The men then end up not respecting women and see the prostitute and their wives with less respect. Single men who have sex with prostitutes will also lose respect with women and it will impact any chance of a future relationship with a woman. |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone they cared about, realizes that sex is better when you love the other person. |
you're contradicting yourself here. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
Probably will be unpopular, but I think prostitution should be illegal. It degrades the women who are prostitutes and whether they admit or not causes lots of guilt and problems. It leads the women to being slaves to either money, drugs, alcohol or all of them. |
But working at McDonalds or Walmart isn't degrading? Whether or not prostitution is morally degrading, I think it's their choice and to enter this profession. Personally, I think most actors and models are morally degrading, but it's not grounds to convince me that they should get a real job. |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
If you legalize it then you can regulate it. I would imagine one could bring in regulation requireing licenses with a condition being frequent STD tests and certain safety precautions being followed. Additionally, if prostitution is legal it can be religated to a designated area so that it does not interfere with other businesses. Also, pimps become less of a problem as the prostitutes can now go to the police for protection as could any other citizen. I'm sure we could think of more but meh, I got work to do. |
That sounds like the way they've made things concerning prostitution in Windsor, Ontario. |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
Probably will be unpopular, but I think prostitution should be illegal. It degrades the women who are prostitutes and whether they admit or not causes lots of guilt and problems. It leads the women to being slaves to either money, drugs, alcohol or all of them.
The men who have sex with them usually are cheating on their wives which causes them pain too. The men then end up not respecting women and see the prostitute and their wives with less respect. Single men who have sex with prostitutes will also lose respect with women and it will impact any chance of a future relationship with a woman.
As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone they cared about, realizes that sex is better when you love the other person.
The short term sexual satisfcation with a prostitute may be good, but long term it hurts all those involved. |
Well said! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
Well said! |
you think? just sounds like someone making a whole bunch of personal assumptions, applying them across the board, and enforcing their own sense of morality onto other people.
who here would prostitute themselves for the right amount? coz for me, having sex with bill gates is less offensive than having to be chained to my desk for the next 40 years :( gimme a call bill, my rates are very reasonable. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
who here would prostitute themselves for the right amount? coz for me, having sex with bill gates is less offensive than having to be chained to my desk for the next 40 years :( gimme a call bill, my rates are very reasonable. |
who wouldnt? ;) |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone they cared about, realizes that sex is better when you love the other person.
The short term sexual satisfcation with a prostitute may be good, but long term it hurts all those involved. |
It's for the people involved to make that decision, not you. You may feel that prostitution isn't gratifying, or that it may lead to "hurt" in the long-term, but you can't apply that perspective to the entire population. So long as prostitution is a choice, then it is for people to make their own decisions on the matter. If people make the "wrong" choice - and it does lead to "hurt" in the long-term - then it is the individuals that have to shoulder the responsibility for their decisions, not you. You can't make an action, that is consensual on behalf of all the parties involved, illegal just because, from your perspective, it may not be in their best long-term interests. Again, that is their choice to make, not yours.
Like I said earlier: if you have a moral problem with prostitution, just don't become or solicit a prostitute. Take responsibility for your own actions, not everyone elses. |
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| deprivation |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
It's for the people involved to make that decision, not you. You may feel that prostitution isn't gratifying, or that it may lead to "hurt" in the long-term, but you can't apply that perspective to the entire population. So long as prostitution is a choice, then it is for people to make their own decisions on the matter. If people make the "wrong" choice - and it does lead to "hurt" in the long-term - then it is the individuals that have to shoulder the responsibility for their decisions, not you. You can't make an action, that is consensual on behalf of all the parties involved, illegal just because, from your perspective, it may not be in their best long-term interests. Again, that is their choice to make, not yours.
Like I said earlier: if you have a moral problem with prostitution, just don't become or solicit a prostitute. Take responsibility for your own actions, not everyone elses. |
I understand your libertarian attitude towards this, but society ends up paying for people's wrong choices too. The entire burden which you don't deny has to be dealt with at some point. In the long term, other people's problems become everyone's problems.
And what about all the children and young women forced into prostitution around the world? Haven't you heard the stories of men traveling to developing countries to have sex with underage girls? Surely, you don't defend that. |
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