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Immigrants and having rights
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| Slylee |
so yea there was a big protest at bayfront park yesterday about immigrants who happen to make it over here from cuba or whatever and having automatic rights. i'm kinda mixed about it. i mean, if u come over here on a raft, learn the language and get a ing job and pay taxes, then i don't give a what u do. but i can't stand the ones who have been living here forever and still don't speak english or work or anything...i mean, i can't just go over to japan and demand that i be a citizen and have rights over there just because i got there. ok so i know it's a little different but still...
anyway, they were protesting and chanting some in spanish and i was thinking, "uhh...nice job idiots..we don't understand what you're saying. great protest! u guys really got your point across to the americans.":toothless |
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| eye_03 |
| ive heard that americans will become a minority in their own country in something like 20 years.. |
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| HardTranceProd |
Well... what happened to the idea that the US is a "melting pot"?
If you demand that people adjust to your culture, it's no longer a "melting pot", but rather a specific culture, Anglo-Saxon in this case. So let's stop pretending that America is a "melting pot", it's really not, outside of the big cities. Or, if you want a melting pot, then celebrate the diversity and immigrants.
But you can't have your cake and eat it too. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by eye_03
ive heard that americans will become a minority in their own country in something like 20 years.. |
that does not compute |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Well... what happened to the idea that the US is a "melting pot"?
If you demand that people adjust to your culture, it's no longer a "melting pot", but rather a specific culture, Anglo-Saxon in this case. So let's stop pretending that America is a "melting pot", it's really not, outside of the big cities. Or, if you want a melting pot, then celebrate the diversity and immigrants.
But you can't have your cake and eat it too. |
there never was a melting pot in america just look at all those china towns, little italies etc. |
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| Slylee |
well it seems to me like we (in U.S.) are the only country to go to where you don't have to adjust to our "culture".
i lived in japan for 2 years during high school and it never once occurred to me that everyone needed to speak my language and cater to my needs. i learned what i could from the language and tried to blend... |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
well it seems to me like we (in U.S.) are the only country to go to where you don't have to adjust to our "culture". |
canada |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
canada |
good point. sorry.
i always forget about u guys up there.
anyone ever see/hear that dennis leary stand up where he makes fun of canadians?
he's like, "wtf is up with canadians man? i dont' ing trust them, they're too ing quiet and nice up there!"
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
canada |
probably even more so than the US. |
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| HardTranceProd |
I'm just saying, it's so ridiculous for the US to start a debate on immigration, when most Americans beat themselves on the chests about how they are the "land of immigrants" etc.
Canada is actually a far more diverse country, with more immigrants. |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Well... what happened to the idea that the US is a "melting pot"?
If you demand that people adjust to your culture, it's no longer a "melting pot", but rather a specific culture, Anglo-Saxon in this case. So let's stop pretending that America is a "melting pot", it's really not, outside of the big cities. Or, if you want a melting pot, then celebrate the diversity and immigrants.
But you can't have your cake and eat it too. |
Learning to speak English isn't encroaching on someone's culture. If one was going to immigrate to another country for whatever, at LEAST learn the language. When I was working at a Target, you have no idea how many times people came up to me expecting ME to speak Spanish. Sorry buddy, if you've lived here long enough to hold a job AND frequently shop at a Target...you can learn some god damn English.
Oh man, this reminds me of the time I was in jury duty and this Korean guy tried to get out of it saying he doesn't understand English that well. The judge asked how long he's been in America, he said 14 years lol. No way you've held a job, registered to vote, got a drivers license and have been living here for 14 years and can't fully grasp the English language. The judge made him sit throughout the entire jury selection with a translator lol. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
i mean, if u come over here on a raft, learn the language and get a ing job and pay taxes, then i don't give a what u do. but i can't stand the ones who have been living here forever and still don't speak english or work or anything... |
If the government didn't label them as illegal immigrants, and they had to live a somewhat "underground" life, then they could blend more easily. As far as I know, this is not what happens, although I'm not there and I can't have a better idea of what the situation is like.
As for the melting pot theory, I find it strange as well: why is it that ethnic groups in the US look almost like castes to us foreigners? At least, from a Brazilian perspective, this is somewhat strange. It seems like there's a distinct "black culture", a distinct "white culture", a distinct "Asian culture", a distinct "Hispanic culture", a distinct "Native American culture"... and crossing these barriers may lead to awkward results, such as the existence of labels such as wiggers and wapanese.
Finally, Slylee, the approach taken by the Japanese government cannot be compared to that of the American society. Japan ignores the existence of different groups within their territory, so it's only natural that you had to learn their language.
I'd like to write a gigantic post... I'm gonna do this later at night. |
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