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When's Iran gonna get bombed? (pg. 7)
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| AwakenedAddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
yes it won't
but
the deficits rising (mainly due to costs of the War on Terrorism in all kinds .. military, homeland security ...)
the US spent 96 billion $ / year in 2003-present to cope with Bioterrorism after the Anthrax incident
eventually all these spending will cuz financial instibility , budget cuts on many social sectors and so alot of angry citizens ... |
You know the American current accounts deficit and the American budgetary deficit are two different things right?
The US has always (well since WWII) spent a large amount of their budget on the military. Today, it only constitutes ~4% of the GDP of the United States. In addition, US governments have been running budgetary deficits for years and years, without problem (do to foreign investments into American dollars via government bond issues). I hardly think that military spending is a major contributor to the budgetary deficit ... areas such as health care are much more inneficient in the US government budget.
However, I think you were referring to the current accounts deficit (the one that gets all the attention in the news these days). US defense spending has no role whatsoever in the current accounts deficit. The current accounts deficit has to do with the value of goods imported into the US, versus the value of the goods that are exported. A current accounts deficit is produced when a country (like the US, currently) imports more than it exports. Since the US doesn't import most military goods, military spending has little, if no influence on the current accounts deficit. |
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| AwakenedAddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
Buddy you should read more sometimes.
At the time of Iran Iraq war Iraq was officially supported by Us and europe. US helped Iraq in lots of ways to take out Iran's regime . When the war started Saddam even changed name of Iran's cities ,that's how confident he was on takin iran out.
Iran's military was totally unorginsed and after the revolution.
But Iran paid of by men.
Even Us's ex prime minister at Clinton's time apolgized Iran for all the deads that they caused back in the day. |
Dude.. we know that Iraq was backed by the "West" (US, France, etc.). Guess what... Iran was backed by the "East" (Soviets). They called it the Cold War and both countries are just as stupid for taking money with strings attached. Look how they turned out... spectacular. |
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| Floorwhore |
| in hopes of stopping the bombings from happening, my country of origin flag is now iran. |
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| ChocolateTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
Iran *IS* gonna get bombed. At the very least, their nuclear facilities are. They're not gonna back off from their program so guess what, if the US doesn't do it, Israel will. There's just no other path.
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you forgot to say "in my opinion" at the beginning of that sentence.
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
ok and evil_cookie as a nickname gives you more cred?
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i don't think that anyones nickname on ta should be used to discredit his opinion.
| quote: | | Iran will never be invaded, its useless, it'll get bombed, with a worldwide support. Except maybe from Cuba, North Korea and other mickey-mouse-à-la Iran countries. |
YOU are useless!
sorry it was too tempting :)
| quote: | | the same thing in Iran, the young are the majority of the country, they don't want anything from their leaders and regime, they don't believe in a integrist muslim country. The cracks are showing, its only a matter of time before it all comes down. |
the majority of the young people in Iran may not like the current state of the politics in the country. However, they people are EXTREMELY patriotic.. they are not gonna sit around and watch their country get blown up..
and as far as i have know, the nuclear facilities are underground (for good reason maybe??)
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
reminder:
bush - millionaire
you - ...
stupid who? :) |
i'm not even gonna bother commenting on this one. no, i'm not agreeing that bush is stupid (necessarily) but come on diabolic, you can do better than that!
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
Who gives a if it's gonna be welcomed or not? This is real life. What do you want us to talk about, flowers and kittens? |
no, that's boring.. let's talk about your receding hairline...
are you bald yet?
| quote: | Originally posted by DigitalMP
Those of you with in-depth knowledge, what do you think Iran's plans are or might be?
extacy_bomb, I believe you're from Iran, right? Goodvibe, are you as well (I apolgize if I'm off-target)? What do you guys think, since people seem to be pretty up on their native land. |
i couldn't vote in the poll cause there was no option for "not anytime soon."
| quote: | Originally posted by rT19
I guess i wont be goin to Iran this summer... |
too bad.. you are gonna miss out on all the fun! |
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| extacy_bomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
Dude.. we know that Iraq was backed by the "West" (US, France, etc.). Guess what... Iran was backed by the "East" (Soviets). They called it the Cold War and both countries are just as stupid for taking money with strings attached. Look how they turned out... spectacular. |
that's so true. |
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| malek |
Choclate trance has spoken.
This thread isn't going anywhere :) |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Choclate trance has spoken.
This thread isn't going anywhere :) |
LOL |
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| extacy_bomb |
And i have to add on that i lost 3 of my casins in that war.
If i was old enough at the time i'd might be dead as well. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
in hopes of stopping the bombings from happening, my country of origin flag is now iran. |
That's the noblest thing I've ever seen on TA. :eek:
(I know you're only doing it for the chicks) ;) |
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| Shade |
To address the point of this being a debate (not going to even bother quoting as I don't have patience for it) - Diabolic didn't start it with the intent of creating a half decent debate. Just look at the poll options and the topic name, that definitely wasn't the point behind it. Compare this thread with the other threads he's made, he hasn't made a single intelligible thread in the time I've been registered, this isn't an exception though it's gone in a somewhat more sophisticated direction.
About the topic that's presently at hand... I don't especially want to think about anyone getting bombed, but this whole situation doesn't seem like a positive one. The Iranian government is hardly a peaceful one, and to argue that is to be blind. As Israel's seem to blend into the conversation, I'll go onto that branch. I don't care what the excuse is (e.g. they 'don't believe in the existence of Israel'), they have no right to threaten or attack (or support threats and attacks) the country.
There's no debating that Iran does help fund weapons and terrorist actions. As a result, they have no right to potentially dangerous nuclear energy. I don't want to hear the excuse of Israel having it (I don't have doubts about Israel having it) - but I could just as easily say 'prove it' and it would be as valid as the rest of the arguments. I believe Iran has right to nuclear energy SOLELY as a source of energy, but there's no full out way anything can be monitored.
With these two points in mind, Iran's government seems to be looking for trouble while hiding in the shade of silly excuses, which can but shouldn't be passed off as valid. I truly think it's time to bring an end to the leading powers in Iran right now. My Iranian friends are very against the government in Iran as well, and thing that the current reigning powers need to be kicked out of place.
Now, I thoroughly hope that nobody has to get bombed, and there's far too much jumpiness when it comes to bombings, but at this point the government's been looking for trouble - and they've found it. The millions of innocent people in Iran are in danger because of an idiot government. Sure, a great amount of them will fight for their country should it come to that, but it won't be because they believe in what the government wants, they're simply patriotic and close to the country itself; loyalists to the country, their home - not the government and its' choices.
Granted as I have strong beliefs in my own country of birth (Israel), I can be considered biased against the Iranian government, however I'm trying to say things from the most unbiased view possible.
On another note - though somewhat related - I think arguments about power games are bound to pointless circles. The whole argument of 'my country can kick your country's ass' sounds a lot like the childish threat of 'My daddy will come beat you up! No no, my uncle!' - I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. It's valid to talk about a country's strengths and weaknesses, and what might happen given a situation such as a bombing arises, but it's not a debate if you're simply repeating the same points over and over - especially when you have no evidence to back it up.
Just my $0.02 -- and I apologize if some things don't make too much sense as this was written in a fair bit of a rush. |
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| TRANCEEEE |
| quote: | Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
You know the American current accounts deficit and the American budgetary deficit are two different things right?
The US has always (well since WWII) spent a large amount of their budget on the military. Today, it only constitutes ~4% of the GDP of the United States. In addition, US governments have been running budgetary deficits for years and years, without problem (do to foreign investments into American dollars via government bond issues). I hardly think that military spending is a major contributor to the budgetary deficit ... areas such as health care are much more inneficient in the US government budget.
However, I think you were referring to the current accounts deficit (the one that gets all the attention in the news these days). US defense spending has no role whatsoever in the current accounts deficit. The current accounts deficit has to do with the value of goods imported into the US, versus the value of the goods that are exported. A current accounts deficit is produced when a country (like the US, currently) imports more than it exports. Since the US doesn't import most military goods, military spending has little, if no influence on the current accounts deficit. |
"The US buys Oil"
"to take control of Iraqs oil"
one of the reasons the US wanted to invade Iraq and "topple saddam" was actually the euro currency. It was to prevent further OPEC domination toward the euro as the major oil transaction currency and at the same time secure control of Iraq's oil.
The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be:
-the current account deficit would decrease
-the budget deficit would go into default
Basicaly a 3rd world economic crisis scenario
these have already started to happen |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | Originally posted by extacy_bomb
that's easy for you to say..
I don really get what you are trying to prove.
You think it's that easy to bring them all to herE?..like you'r just funny man...you left me speechless.
But if the war really starts I am not gonna sit here do nothing. I will go back and defend my country. that's all matters. |
I never said it's easy. But we brought our entire family from Europe, and my gf's family did the same with her family from Asia. So i'm sure its doable.
As for defending your country... ugh. You're gonna die defending not your country, but a bunch of extremist psychopaths who just happen to be in charge of it at the moment. Best of luck. |
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