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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
Umm.... Arabs? The unsorted variety?  |
Not an answer - one word, give me your label of the Arabs living in the occupied territories
| quote: | | Israel. Or Egypt. Or Jordan. Not Palestinians. Yet neither country - Egypt or Jordan lay any claim to it. Yet. |
Egypt and Jordan do not lay claim to those territories. So that leaves you with Israel. So if you believe Israel owns the land, what do you propose to do with all the Arabs that live there?
| quote: | | You probably have reading and comprehension problem - as I don't. Numerously did I point it out but you're too thick-headed to comprehend it. |
You support the settlements and you appear to believe the occupied territories belong to Israel. While ever you support those positions you are supporting the continued murder of Palestinians and Israelis. Like I said, you don't care, all you care about is the symbolism and getting revenge (sod how many Israelis die in the process so you can sit back and relax in America)
| quote: | | Repeat it like mantra - it might make sense. And stop putting words in my mouth and attributing that is obviously has not been stated nor implied. Please, feel free to quote me on the passages which led you to such brilliant conclusion. |
You have been skirting round the issue of what to do with the Arabs that live in the occupied territories since you first started debating. It's pretty obvious you think Israel "owns" the land, so when you tell me what is to be done with the Arabs that live there, then I shall either confirm or retract what I said above...over to you
| quote: | | Um... which part of GOVERN-MENT does not make sense? is it the "GOVERN" PART? |
Sounds like your deliberately avoiding the issue (which suggests you support Jewish terrorism?) The issue was NEVER about governments, the issue was about what Muslims were prepared to do that your article suggests Jewish people could never be capable of. I have provided sources earlier in this thread to suggest otherwise. So stop avoiding the issue and perhaps give me your view on Jewish terrorists - do you support them?
| quote: | | Oh yes - RELIABLE BRITISH SOURCES! What's next - reuters? the guardian? BBC? stick your left-wing sources up your arse and smoke 'em. |
This is where you make yourself look stupid. The Times is a right wing paper. Not only that it is one of the most prestigious papers in the UK. It is like the NY Times or Washington Post in that respect. But thanks for your racist comments about the British. Just goes further to highlight what other people are begining to see about you. Your opinions are formed from your racist views, and therefore, anything you have to say is invalid.
| quote: | | I'll take option A. As hard as you find it to believe. Though, for someone who claims that he does his personal research, you do quote quite a few leftist sources. If you consider it an unbiased research you need to check your head. |
Of course you'd chose option A because nobody likes admitting they are a racist fascist. However, unless you can give me some evidence that option A is true, I'll remain convinced you're just a worthless racist.................. |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Well if you can work that out why can't your government?! If you think that Hamas kidnapped that soldier to gain more support (for their goal to eliminate Israel) would you help them get that support!? Crazy!
And yes, that is how I interpret those poll results. But it wouldn't matter, they show that Palestinians are capable on mass of supporting an end to Hamas' goal of eradicating Israel |
who said my government didn't work that out? would you sit quietly, knowking that one of your soldiers has been kidnapped, two were killed and missiles are launched at the people of south Israel?
and yes, these polls do show that the arabs are capable of putting an end to Hamas' goal, but apparently they're too weak to stand up against Hamas in the right moment.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Again would suggest I read it in the first place! Either way it makes no difference, one story says one thing, another says another. My point was merely that whatever caused those deaths, the Israeli army was ordered to stop shelling while they investigated, which means the Israeli army were, well, shelling Palestine! |
they weren't shelling Palestine, they were shelling Gaza strip, and they didn't aim at civilians as the inquiry commission concluded.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
All the settlements need to be evacuated. I know that sounds tough but there are all sorts of problems associated with them that hinder the Palestinians (and not to mention the security threat they pose to Israel itself!) |
ok, that's your opinion.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
"Teach Hamas a lesson" or teach the population of Gaza a lesson for supporting Hamas? |
teach Hamas and its supporters a lesson. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
teach Hamas and its supporters a lesson. |
So you're supporting a policy of collective punishment? |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
So you're supporting a policy of collective punishment? |
acting against Hamas and its supporters is not a collective punishment.
acting against Hamas, its supporters and its non-supporters is a collective punishment. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
acting against Hamas and its supporters is not a collective punishment.
acting against Hamas, its supporters and its non-supporters is a collective punishment. |
And can you explain to me how Israel's actions in Gaza (and we'll extend it to Lebanon re Hizballah) have differentiated between those who support Hamas (and Hizballah in Lebanon) and those that do not... |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Not an answer - one word, give me your label of the Arabs living in the occupied territories
Egypt and Jordan do not lay claim to those territories. So that leaves you with Israel. So if you believe Israel owns the land, what do you propose to do with all the Arabs that live there?
You support the settlements and you appear to believe the occupied territories belong to Israel. While ever you support those positions you are supporting the continued murder of Palestinians and Israelis. Like I said, you don't care, all you care about is the symbolism and getting revenge (sod how many Israelis die in the process so you can sit back and relax in America)
You have been skirting round the issue of what to do with the Arabs that live in the occupied territories since you first started debating. It's pretty obvious you think Israel "owns" the land, so when you tell me what is to be done with the Arabs that live there, then I shall either confirm or retract what I said above...over to you
Sounds like your deliberately avoiding the issue (which suggests you support Jewish terrorism?) The issue was NEVER about governments, the issue was about what Muslims were prepared to do that your article suggests Jewish people could never be capable of. I have provided sources earlier in this thread to suggest otherwise. So stop avoiding the issue and perhaps give me your view on Jewish terrorists - do you support them?
This is where you make yourself look stupid. The Times is a right wing paper. Not only that it is one of the most prestigious papers in the UK. It is like the NY Times or Washington Post in that respect. But thanks for your racist comments about the British. Just goes further to highlight what other people are begining to see about you. Your opinions are formed from your racist views, and therefore, anything you have to say is invalid.
Of course you'd chose option A because nobody likes admitting they are a racist fascist. However, unless you can give me some evidence that option A is true, I'll remain convinced you're just a worthless racist.................. |
You really need to get a life and get off that dead horse you've been dragging around, rly. You must have a really lonely, boring life. Wait, are you still a virgin? :conf: :happy2: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
You really need to get a life and get off that dead horse you've been dragging around, rly. You must have a really lonely, boring life. Wait, are you still a virgin? :conf: :happy2: |
Virgin or not, that still doesn't mean you have any knowledge of the Israel/Palestine conflict and it still doesn't mean you don't have a racist view towards Arabs. Which in my opinion, makes you no better than the Islamo-fascists you profess to hate so much... |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Virgin or not, that still doesn't mean you have any knowledge of the Israel/Palestine conflict and it still doesn't mean you don't have a racist view towards Arabs. Which in my opinion, makes you no better than the Islamo-fascists you profess to hate so much... |
You don't know me and anything about me, yet you assume all this nonsense from nothing more than a fart. I can't nor won't convince you of anything - e.g. neither confirm nor deny any of your presumtions, as what you think about me bears no impact on my life, my understanding of the world, or situation in the Middle East.
I really don't care what you think of me, bored out of my mind by your mumbling, and nausiated by your substance-free rhetoric. From here on out I will deprive you of one thing you seem to crave the most.... :clown:
See ya later, alligator! |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
You don't know me and anything about me, yet you assume all this nonsense from nothing more than a fart. I can't nor won't convince you of anything - e.g. neither confirm nor deny any of your presumtions, as what you think about me bears no impact on my life, my understanding of the world, or situation in the Middle East. |
I've been asking you what you think should be done with the Palestinians (Egyptians/Jordanians/Arabs/Syrians/Chinese/Whatever you want to label them) for about a week!! That is because I get the impression you view them as inferior beings incapable of peace. I have given you sources that show the majority of Palestinians want peace and oppose Hamas' goal to destroy Israel. The fact that you do not accept these figures gives me a clue of how you view these people. If you can tell me what your solution is to deal with the Palestinians status and territory, or offer some light on the Palestinian's views re peace, then I shall be able to know "anything about you". I hope my opinions of you are wrong, and you can help me by confirming them or disproving them by answering these questions. |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
And can you explain to me how Israel's actions in Gaza (and we'll extend it to Lebanon re Hizballah) have differentiated between those who support Hamas (and Hizballah in Lebanon) and those that do not... |
what do you mean?
IDF is fighting everything that threatens Israeli civilians. it's trying to minimize non-related-to-terror casualties. and nevertheless there are non-related-to-terror casualties. I think it's because they let terror groups live among them. |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
You really need to get a life and get off that dead horse you've been dragging around, rly. You must have a really lonely, boring life. Wait, are you still a virgin? :conf: :happy2: |
wow, you're a great debator, as if anyone could argue with such an intellectual argument like that! George Smileys posts seem immature and childish in comparison! You can debate nearly as well as Cyrus King
well done :) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
what do you mean?
IDF is fighting everything that threatens Israeli civilians. it's trying to minimize non-related-to-terror casualties. and nevertheless there are non-related-to-terror casualties. I think it's because they let terror groups live among them. |
Dropping bombs from planes is not attempting to differentiate between Hizballah and civilians. Sending ground troops in would have been... |
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