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Why do the heads controlling the media in the USA refuse to promote electronic music (pg. 6)
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| Cobalt |
One of my absolute favorite vocal tracks. |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
well unlucky cause u live in a country |
Yay, this is what I love about MD: every thread turns into Armin/Tiesto bashing, or country dick comparisons.
Congratulations on being irrelevant and contributing nothing to anything! |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Makes
+1 I hate it :whip:
this black music stuff in the clubs make me sick :nervous:
dj play black music = full dancefloor
dj play kinda house music = 2,3 freaks dancing
...never heard good trance in a german club... :whip: |
House music IS black music.
...or at least initially was, until silly white folk gutted the funk from it. |
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| sleepydragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Demoted
Yay, this is what I love about MD: every thread turns into Armin/Tiesto bashing, or country dick comparisons.
Congratulations on being irrelevant and contributing nothing to anything! |
i was joking what the hell r u going on about |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
i was joking what the hell r u going on about |
Well then you're awful at delivering jokes :wtf: |
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| Kality |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
House music IS black music.
...or at least initially was, until silly white folk gutted the funk from it. |
um..no not exactly.
House music is a collection of styles of electronic dance music, the earliest forms of which originated in the United States in the early- to mid-1980s. The name is said to derive from the Warehouse nightclub in Chicago, where the resident DJ, Frankie Knuckles, mixed classic disco and European synthpop recordings. Club regulars referred to his selection of music as "house" music. However, since Frankie was not creating new music at that time, it has been argued that Chip E. in his early recording "It's House" defined this new form of electronic music and gave it the name "House Music". |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by D.Edge
but is it anymore? the dance music scene (or rather, "scenes") seem marginal in comparison to hip-hop/rnb and rock. maybe dnb could compete, but that's only because the chavs make up the numbers. |
That's because you're talking about pop music compared to something else. The UK hip-hop scene (not the mass-marketed American superstars) doesn't dwarf dance culture. If you look at students and young people who go out almost all of them will go clubbing or go to bars where dance music is played. Even the tiest pub DJs round here play more dance music than hip-hop.
And dance music still comprises 15% of the total UK record sales each year. That's nearly a fifth of all sales by all age ranges. Factor out all the stuff kids and old people buy and it'll probably look like dance music sells a big portion of what young people buy. That's looking at it from a pure sales perspective. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kality
um..no not exactly.
House music is a collection of styles of electronic dance music, the earliest forms of which originated in the United States in the early- to mid-1980s. The name is said to derive from the Warehouse nightclub in Chicago, where the resident DJ, Frankie Knuckles, mixed classic disco and European synthpop recordings. Club regulars referred to his selection of music as "house" music. However, since Frankie was not creating new music at that time, it has been argued that Chip E. in his early recording "It's House" defined this new form of electronic music and gave it the name "House Music". |
Besides the fact that your argument doesn't really refute (indeed it supports) the claim that House music was originally created and caned by black men.
The assertion that it was ruined by white men makes no sense, though, since Thomas Bangalter is white.
Regarding Makes's comment though, that's a very crude and uneducated thing to say. The roots of modern dance music are in general very tied to funk, which while still receiving a lot of white influence, was very black music. Actually I've ound that, outside of modern hip-hop, blacks can very rarely be blamed for bad music. |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
The assertion that it was ruined by white men makes no sense, though, since Thomas Bangalter is white. |
*sigh*
It was a joke. You know... white guys, normally unfunky.. taking a good idea and exploiting it for mass consumption... funny, ha ha...? *sigh* |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
*sigh*
It was a joke. You know... white guys, normally unfunky.. taking a good idea and exploiting it for mass consumption... funny, ha ha...? *sigh* |
Nay luck. :stongue: |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | | Therefore (thankfully) the media and marketing folks can't get their hands on this wonderful genre of music and do to it what they did to hip hop. |
Hip hop originated in the U.S. so that's somewhat of an uneven comparison. I don't disagree with your point though.
| quote: | Electronic music (and let's exclude hip-hop, because it is such a large, self-contained genre hardly anyone remembers its roots anymore) isn't marketable. There are too few stars, too few frontmen, too few personalities, too few performances, too few of the things you can market music on to a mass audience. Lord knows they tried. There are a few genuinely marketable acts out there- dance acts who have personalities and do put on proper shows- but nowhere near enough to make the whole umbrella of music and culture to work.
Europe doesn't work like that. It's smaller, much more densely populated and driven much less by marketing and advertising (Generalisation? The biggest culture shock I got when I visited the US was the sheer volume of advertising flung at you constantly, and I've been about in Europe for a comparison). Culture can genuinely break out of being a niche, a scene and a minority by word of mouth and by the actions of the people in Europe.
Rave and subsequently club culture was introduced to the UK by a handful of DJs and became a massive youth movement when big labels were still trying to ban acid house records for drug-referencing lyrics. Dance music was all over the charts (and you can check chart records to see just how saturated the pop charts were) without most mainstream radio stations even playing it. That couldn't happen in the US because the distances are too great, the people too spread out and the big companies too dominant over what sells. However, in the UK dance music is firmly dug in and it's still an integral part of youth culture. |
Excellent post... I'd love to visit Europe so that I could have the same comparison. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
*sigh*
It was a joke. You know... white guys, normally unfunky.. taking a good idea and exploiting it for mass consumption... funny, ha ha...? *sigh* |
Where's the emoticon. I demand emoticons. Otherwise I take everything seriously. :tongue2 |
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