a while ago it was the ozone layer, a few years ago it was the y2k bug, now its the car and global warming... in a few years it'll be something else, trance music? :p
bitching on cars is just a fad, it's really popular among pseudo-elitists and hipsters living in the center... nothing new there.
Superstring
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Originally posted by malek
a while ago it was the ozone layer, a few years ago it was the y2k bug, now its the car and global warming... in a few years it'll be something else, trance music? :p
bitching on cars is just a fad, it's really popular among pseudo-elitists and hipsters living in the center... nothing new there.
Good job on name-calling and scurrying away from the discussion.
I own a car as well, and I pay for it. Difference is, I realize its impact on the environment and infrastructure, and prefer to use public services whenever I can.
infinity HiGH
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Originally posted by malek
bitching on cars is just a fad, it's really popular among pseudo-elitists and hipsters living in the center... nothing new there.
as opposed to the normal people who just throw their brains into autopilot and don't even bother with the world around them?
malek
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Originally posted by Superstring
Good job on name-calling and scurrying away from the discussion.
I own a car as well, and I pay for it. Difference is, I realize its impact on the environment and infrastructure, and prefer to use public services whenever I can.
Good for you champ, you want a medal?
Superstring
LOL. Maturity at its best.
QED
malek
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Originally posted by Superstring
I realize its impact on the environment and infrastructure, and prefer to use public services whenever I can.
misterpink
Miller's useless. Tearing down the gardiner is short-sighted and, to be sure, retarded. I hope he gets hit by a bus before this ever happens.
Superstring
dj_souvlaki
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Originally posted by mute79
Taxes are high because the city needs to pay to sustain a failed policy on urban planning (ie. maintain current roads and build new). It is absurd to think that you can build enough roads to have people commute from suburbs, so you need to change people's habits. I hope the trend of converting vast parking spaces to condos speeds up.
MR. MILLER, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
the taxes on the homes downtown are more expensvie than those in the suburbs.
dj_souvlaki
but i think homer simpson said it best
"public transit is for loosers"
i would rather walk than take the ttc anywhere.
and i'll keep my 4 bedroom, 4 washroom, open concept living room, dining room, and kitchen than live in a small ty condo in the down town core.
oh and my 4 car driveway with my 2 car garage and large yard than nothing like you would do in the city when a condo costs you upwards of 200 000 to 1.5 million for a 2 bedroom.
DigiNut
Ignoring Mute and the other hippies...
I'd just like to state for the record that I am 100% in favour of toll roads and highways, provided that it's a closed system - meaning that the toll collections go solely toward road maintenance and expansion. If it's processed as a tax and ends up going to welfare or worse, the TTC, then that's not OK.
Of course if a road is privatized then it would be up to the owner to invest those collections however they see fit.
So for those talking about how it's not cost-efficient to maintain roads or whatever - yes, we hear you, we agree. As a driver, I am perfectly willing to help foot the bill for maintenance and construction of roads by way of tolls, if it means that the roads will be properly maintained and not torn up for months to make way for streetcars or repairs that are never finished because the workers and contractors have no accountability.
Carpooling, toll roads, redesign and reengineering, rapid transit - these are all great things. Vehicle taxes, lane restrictions, and ripping apart major infrastructure for a beautification project with the expectation that people will just take the bus or relocate - not so great.
dj_souvlaki
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Originally posted by DigiNut
Ignoring Mute and the other hippies...
I'd just like to state for the record that I am 100% in favour of toll roads and highways, provided that it's a closed system - meaning that the toll collections go solely toward road maintenance and expansion. If it's processed as a tax and ends up going to welfare or worse, the TTC, then that's not OK.
Of course if a road is privatized then it would be up to the owner to invest those collections however they see fit.
So for those talking about how it's not cost-efficient to maintain roads or whatever - yes, we hear you, we agree. As a driver, I am perfectly willing to help foot the bill for maintenance and construction of roads by way of tolls, if it means that the roads will be properly maintained and not torn up for months to make way for streetcars or repairs that are never finished because the workers and contractors have no accountability.
Carpooling, toll roads, redesign and reengineering, rapid transit - these are all great things. Vehicle taxes, lane restrictions, and ripping apart major infrastructure for a beautification project with the expectation that people will just take the bus or relocate - not so great.
well if they have toll booths there better not be any speed limits. and no traffic.
