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Miller wants to tear down Gardiner (pg. 7)
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| smuncky |
mute, you can't just ignore the vehicle. not everyone can or will take public transit for many reasons with the main one being convenience. the two have to co-exist.
demolishing the whole gardiner isn't what is being proposed and for good reason. however, in 10 years or so when public transit infrastructure will be greatly improved, only then will i support the removal of the whole thing. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
My post wasn't directed at you specifically, but at 99% of other commuters who live in suburbs, work in the city and refuse to utilize public transit. |
You're joking, right? Do you honestly believe that there are enough habitats in the downtown core to support your vision?
Not to mention that people have entire lives in their suburban areas outside of just work, so they'd still need their cars, in addition to paying twice as much for a downtown home (and it would be more than twice as much if everybody tried to move there) and even more for parking, which is incredibly scarce there.
I can only hope that these posts of yours have been tongue-in-cheek, because if you're actually serious, I'd have to wonder what planet you came from.
Ironically, a lot of the same people who swear by public transit are the same people who decry the proliferation of high-rise buildings. Hey, I know, let's institute population control measures like China, that'll solve our problems! |
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| dj_souvlaki |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You're joking, right? Do you honestly believe that there are enough habitats in the downtown core to support your vision?
Not to mention that people have entire lives in their suburban areas outside of just work, so they'd still need their cars, in addition to paying twice as much for a downtown home (and it would be more than twice as much if everybody tried to move there) and even more for parking, which is incredibly scarce there.
I can only hope that these posts of yours have been tongue-in-cheek, because if you're actually serious, I'd have to wonder what planet you came from.
Ironically, a lot of the same people who swear by public transit are the same people who decry the proliferation of high-rise buildings. Hey, I know, let's institute population control measures like China, that'll solve our problems! |
only double the cost to live downtown? that is a severe understatement. |
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| dj_souvlaki |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Unfortunately the rich white yuppies here think that public transportation is for poor people and it's somehow detrimental to their ego's to make use of it. |
why would i use public transportation to take me over an hour and a half to get to work when it takes me 15-25 min with my car.
that puts alot of strain on me physically and mentally, less sleep, more stress and i can't concetrate while working. |
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| dj_souvlaki |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
Here's a novel idea. Move to the city!
This is precisely the problem. See, gardiner is a byproduct of '60s (sub)urban planning in north america, which dictated that people work in the city and live in suburbs. This is has proven to be catastrophical in creating cohesive urban environments. So, gardiner is just a remnant of an obsolete belief, and no longer serves a purpose!
Why should the city have to pay $10m/annually, to maintain a failed philosophy? Or, why should I, by default, have to continue to inhale fumes of those driving into the city who refuse to use public transit?
And to answer your question, Go Train will take you to all those you towns specified in less than an hour. |
move to the city yes there is an idea.
pay triple the taxes, quadrouple the cost to own a house/condo downtown. do you know what a small bungalo costs downtown? nevermind if you could find one. why would i leave the suburbs in my beautiful house where i can raise a family with plenty of space and not have to hear downtown toronto traffic or look up and massive buildings blocking out the sun?
and you are worried about exhaust fumes? go ahead tare down the gardiner. say hello to wayyy more traffic and way more exhaust emissions from idling vehicles. not to mention more wear and tear on the vehicles from stop and go traffic cause more emissions from more srevicing done on cars ie oil changes, brake jobs, tires, transmission. you will be creating more polution in the long run.
a moving car creates way less emissions/wear and tear/longevity than one that is in stop and go traffic.
ever wonder why taxi cabs are always in such rough shape? |
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| Spam |
The TTC is PACKED every morning and evening rush-hour as it is. What buses do you think all these "rich, white yuppies" are going to fit on? Toronto needs a MUCH bigger subway system, combined with more buses, and even those wicked light-rail cars like they have connecting the hotels in Vegas, to move ENOUGH people around to make even a small dent in the traffic in Toronto. I also think that streetcars need to be scrapped entirely. They stop ALL the traffic behind them every 2 minutes or less while they move around the city, snarling traffic and causing more smog than if they were just normal, exit/load-on-the-right buses.
Some jobs require that you be driving around ALL day from place to place, and NO transit-system in the world can support that type of demand. Transit is great to get you to and from work, even to get you around downtown for the day, but to move around the entire GTA like some jobs demand, or to get around doing the things you need to do outside of work, you need a personal vehicle.
But even BEFORE spending all our money on a transit-system, step one should be getting people to carpool to work and back, and no government that I know of can force anybody to do that. That has to be something that the people in our society adopt as standard. Get just ONE extra person in every car on the road and chances are good that you're going to reduce the number of cars on the road by a significant margin.
The BIGGEST problem is that we don't know each other. I might live a 2 minute walk from 4 or 5 or hell, 215 people who all work in the same area as me that I could carpool with, but we don't know each other, so every day, 4 or 5 cars hit the road and head to work. We don't live in communities anymore, we live in HOUSES, and we're all anonymous, and that leads to problems like the traffic in Toronto (among a whole variety of other issues and problems that our society insist the government needs to fix, as if they actually can :rolleyes: ). |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
But even BEFORE spending all our money on a transit-system, step one should be getting people to carpool to work and back, and no government that I know of can force anybody to do that. That has to be something that the people in our society adopt as standard. |
I hope you're not suggesting HOV lanes, because the existing ones prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they simply aggravate traffic congestion by reducing the number of "available" lanes for the majority of motorists.
Maybe technology will help us in the future here. Something that caters to the Facebook-addicted anti-social Torontonian with no desire to actually talk to another live human being. You put in your route and it automatically finds someone who lives and works within a 3 km radius of where you live and work, with the stated aim of helping to save on gas costs. It could work.
Of course, maybe it already exists and just failed miserably. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I hope you're not suggesting HOV lanes, because the existing ones prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they simply aggravate traffic congestion by reducing the number of "available" lanes for the majority of motorists.
Maybe technology will help us in the future here. Something that caters to the Facebook-addicted anti-social Torontonian with no desire to actually talk to another live human being. You put in your route and it automatically finds someone who lives and works within a 3 km radius of where you live and work, with the stated aim of helping to save on gas costs. It could work.
Of course, maybe it already exists and just failed miserably. |
http://www.carpoolzone.smartcommute.ca/en/my/ |
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| dj_souvlaki |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I hope you're not suggesting HOV lanes, because the existing ones prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they simply aggravate traffic congestion by reducing the number of "available" lanes for the majority of motorists.
Maybe technology will help us in the future here. Something that caters to the Facebook-addicted anti-social Torontonian with no desire to actually talk to another live human being. You put in your route and it automatically finds someone who lives and works within a 3 km radius of where you live and work, with the stated aim of helping to save on gas costs. It could work.
Of course, maybe it already exists and just failed miserably. |
the websites are out there. they just don't work.
and frankly i dont want some completel stranger hoping into my truck |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_souvlaki
and frankly i dont want some completel stranger hoping into my truck |
Perhaps that's why they don't work. Hard to say though.
I figured these sites might already be out there, I guess it's just that nobody's found the right formula yet. How many crappy social networking sites had to come out before myspace/Facebook?
Actually, I'll bet they'd get more takers if they just made a Facebook app that did the same thing.
If we're willing to spend billions as a society on public transit and tearing up roads and highways, surely we can experiment with a few million on proactive (not coercive) ways to get people to carpool. Not that I'm saying we should spend tax dollars on any of this, but just promote it, and give it a chance. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
That's because you're a slave to conservative suburban ideology, and have succumbed to their propaganda. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the TTC, or GO train, or any other piece of public transit.
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omg the hipster urbane hippies drones are taking over Toronto too... what a shame:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And i thought this breed was only a local specie to the Plateau, gtfo seriously.
People have kids, disabilities, work with their cars, a zillion reasons not to take the bus nor move to overpriced shoeboxes downtown *anycity*. |
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| Dior Homme |
We should really stop building suburbs and try to start building cities. New York and New Jersey are so close to each other yet they are two large cities. I wish Toronto was similar to that layout. The major cities in Canada are far away from each other. Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal etc.
His suburban boom is getting annoying the more it moves outwards. |
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