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Miller wants to tear down Gardiner (pg. 2)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
agreed...but that's just my opinion. I'm not terribly sympathetic to traffic these days, lol.
IMHO, Pitfield is the one who sounds like an idiot. I could care less what "the majority of the people" want. The majority of the people are NOT urban planning experts and base their opinon on...their opinion.
Letting the people decide is idiotic. the general population has zero knowledge of the impact of whatever their opinion would be...that's why we elect politicians who in turn commission EXPERTS to conduct feasibility, business and environmental studies.
I don't think Miller sounds stupid at all when He says that the point is currently moot becuase there is no money and that it's pointless bringing it to the people because there IS no business plan in place. How do you let the people decide when there IS NO BUSINESS PLAN? This study is old and hasn't been updated.
"Hey guys, what do you think we should do. Here are three options, but the cost info for each may be completely off base because this study is already more than two years old".
Pitfield, in saying there are more important issues like crime (bull, but the paranoid public will eat that up) and garbage, is sidestepping the issue...crime and garbage is 100% irrelevant to what to do with the Gardiner and I expect that our city council can tackle ALL of these issues. If they can't, then she is SUPPORTING Miller's assertion that the point is moot, since there is no money and no business plan, isn't she? |
Miller wants to tear it down and build a 6 lane road in its place. He said it even today. Thats th dumbest thing that could possibly happen. So yes hes an idiot.
As for garbage. Dont even get me started on the shady deal that just went down in london. This from the same bunch of idiots that OPPOSED kirkland lake (which was a willing host).
Time for a change! |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
For now yes. I tend to agree with Pitfield that there are more pressing issues in the city. The ridiculously high tax rate thats scaring people and business away for one. The panhandling problem for another.
Leave the gardiner alone for now. Lets fix things that need fixing instead of just asthetics pleasing ideas. BTW the real "wall" to the lakefront is not a highway that people can easily walk under. Its the wall of condos that border the lake with no public access. Why does everyone seem to miss that point?
I support the viaduct option the most but right now we simply cant afford any of it. |
you have got to be ing kidding me. You think the "panhandling problem" is a pressing issue?
wow. THANK GOD you are not on city council... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
you have got to be ing kidding me. You think the "panhandling problem" is a pressing issue?
wow. THANK GOD you are not on city council... |
its a problem when you walk down the street and get asked 5 times by meth addicts for spare change. It affects tourism greatly. Its even mentioned in the lonely planet for god sake!
But yeah its far down the list but def higher priority than the gardiner |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
btw, this is where i found the link to it, http://spacing.ca/wire/?p=1121
spacing really has some interesting articles now and again. i encourage everyone to visit it sometime if they are interested in our city. |
i love spacing .. they really do provide some insightful articles..
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| Beach420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
I agree. Its a monstrosity. A 6 lane road? Well yeah i guess something needs to replace the thoughrofare. Maybe some public transit would help aswell?
Lemme get something straight mr TOTA PM. You want waterfront improvemnt but think the gardiner should stay? |
+1. It is a monstrosity! And big ups for more public transporation!! Its a difficult situation and decision to make, and hopefully a decision will be made keeping in mind of our waterfront, which we are oh so lucky to have and continuesly take advantage of. Booo pollution!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beach420
+1. It is a monstrosity! And big ups for more public transporation!! Its a difficult situation and decision to make, and hopefully a decision will be made keeping in mind of our waterfront, which we are oh so lucky to have and continuesly take advantage of. Booo pollution!! |
public transportation is very important.
BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF AN ALREADY WEAK ROAD SYSTEM. We must have a balanced approach. You will never convince everyone to leave the car at home. It wont happen.
Improve transit AND highways. |
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| 5hiftn6ears |
| I know he's a good DJ and all...but what does Sean know about city planning?...sounds fishy to me |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
its a problem when you walk down the street and get asked 5 times by meth addicts for spare change. It affects tourism greatly. Its even mentioned in the lonely planet for god sake!
But yeah its far down the list but def higher priority than the gardiner |
To me panhandling is not the problem it is their addiction to meth.
So we should throw em in jail with 2nd offence drunk drivers right? LOL.
There are better ways to deal with social issues/problems then ruling with an iron fist. We leave that to Swamper. |
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| Orko |
| burying it is a good idea, but the problem is that they are looking to Boston for inspiration, and their "Big Dig" project has been a huge flop/problem. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
burying it is a good idea, but the problem is that they are looking to Boston for inspiration, and their "Big Dig" project has been a huge flop/problem. |
massive cost and time overruns.. we're talkin into the billions here.. not to mention someone recently having been killed due to falling concrete and debris ..
burrying it is not an easy solution as it is likely the most costly option our there not to mention the years of traffic disruption that it would cause as noted in the Viaduct plan ..
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| Floorwhore |
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