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DJ is NO SKILL ??? (pg. 15)
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beethoven
Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good. |
What if a piano falls on a DJ and kills him?
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No. It's adjusting the tempo of records (or any pre-recorded track in any format) so they're playing at the same speed in time with each other. |
yeah.. that's the same thing.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
DJ skills are what seperate a DJ from someone just playing records one after the other. They are what make it a trade, an art and a profession rather than simply an act. |
just as being able to apply glue to pieces of paper is what seperates a collage artist from someone just cutting and placing pieces of paper together. :conf: :conf: :conf:
in other words, nearly everyone is a dj according to your criteria. just as nearly everyone is a collage artist, because anyone except the severely mentally challenged can both use a button to press play, and glue!
damn, we're a skillful bunch! |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beethoven
Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good. |
Anyone can play piano too. But they're not going to be very good at it.
It's the same with DJ'ing. |
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| DJ Nickazz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beethoven
Well. the truth is learning DJ is FAR MORE EASY than piano. get it??? good. |
Actually he's got a point there.
If you have some records and you can beatmatch you can basically DJ (not good and experienced though U can mix and play records).
Playing an instrument like a piano it takes much more practice before you can play a normal melody/song.
Sure I already hear you guys saying: "With piano you can learn to play a melody in 1 minute". But can you learn to play proper songs and entertain the audience for an whole hour with your piano in a short amount of time? No, not atleast songs that will amuse the audience.
With DJing you can play/entertain the audience for hours if you can beatmatch and have enough records. As long as you play music for them (ignoring the fact that the audience must like the tracks you play) it's allright to them. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Nickazz
Actually he's got a point there.
If you have some records and you can beatmatch you can basically DJ (not good and experienced though U can mix and play records).
Playing an instrument like a piano it takes much more practice before you can play a normal melody/song.
Sure I already hear you guys saying: "With piano you can learn to play a melody in 1 minute". But can you learn to play proper songs and entertain the audience for an whole hour with your piano in a short amount of time? No, not atleast songs that will amuse the audience.
With DJing you can play/entertain the audience for hours if you can beatmatch and have enough records. As long as you play music for them (ignoring the fact that the audience must like the tracks you play) it's allright to them. |
i can make millions as a basketball player in the n.b.a (ignoring the fact that i'm not any good with basketball). |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
yeah.. that's the same thing. |
No it isn't. Stop being obtuse. You may be synchronising music with the aid of technology when you beatmatch, but that's not what the word defines. Similarly, you "cover distance under your own power" when walking, but that doesn't mean we can lump crawling, running, jogging, tiptoeing and jumping as "walking". There's an obvious difference between what occurs when you do something, and what actually constitutes that something.
No band playing together have ever called it "beatmatching". The word was not formed to describe that action. It was formed to explain the very specific action of mixing two records together by matching tempos so the beats were in time. Beatmatching is a word that solely describes an action or a skill invented and practically exclusively performed by DJing. So stop wasting my ing time with semantic games.
| quote: | in other words, nearly everyone is a dj according to your criteria. just as nearly everyone is a collage artist, because anyone except the severely mentally challenged can both use a button to press play, and glue!
damn, we're a skillful bunch! |
What? Seriously... what? How can "nearly everyone" pull off DJ-specific skills like beatmatching or scratching? You're the one who seems to be implying that if you can sequence a bunch of records, you've performed a DJing skill. So according to you, anyone who's ever burned a disc or made a playlist that isn't randomly organised has performed a DJ skill and so is apparently, to an extent, a DJ.
I don't know how you've completely missed the point. "Using a button to press play" is not a DJ-specific skill. What cack-handed interpretation of my argument did you use to get that gemstone out of it?
Oh, and just to get rid of that collage artist bull... the obvious skill of making a collage is gluing things to paper to eventually form a coherent pattern. If you're doing that, then... yeah, you're making a collage. However, if you're ordering your MP3s into a playlist, you're not DJing. "Gluing stuff to a page" is not the definition of a collagist, so the distinction is the skill of being able to make coherent, meaningful patterns from what you've glued. Which most people don't do when they glue stuff to a page.
You're usually a smart guy, but this is far-and-away the most stupid post I've seen you make. Judging by the second part, I'm not even sure you understood what I said. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
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allow me to use an example: David Mancuso.
if we're to go with your criteria for dj skill, Mancuso was one of the least skillful DJs in the world, surpassed in skill by most bedroom DJs, even the ones just starting out.
if this implication of your criteria does not bother you, then you obviously come with a completely different point of view, and there's absolutely no point for us to continue discussing this topic.
edit: i had my history a bit mixed up for a second, sorry |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| It's entirely possible he was a good DJ without being a skillful one. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's entirely possible he was a good DJ without being a skillful one. |
to suggest that the quality of a dj is governed by things you don't consider to be dj-skills is counter intuitive. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
to suggest that the quality of a dj is governed by things you don't consider to be dj-skills is counter intuitive. |
Bollocks. All a DJ is is a music fan. The real quality is in his record collection and how he uses it. The "DJing" is just putting the music fan into a club perspective. |
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| pvdAngel |
I spun for 2 hours at an old youth club using Pioneers when I was 15. It was my first time and I got a good reaction. It only took me about 10 mins to work out what the equipment did.
I haven't spun since. It wasn't my destiny. :p |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Bollocks. All a DJ is is a music fan. |
that's an understatement, a huge understatement :p |
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