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DJ is NO SKILL ??? (pg. 7)
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| SMC |
This endless DJ - musician or not discussion is really annoying. A DJ is not a musician, he's a DJ. To DJ is one type of performance/art/whatever and creating music is another. What is the point in comparing the two like if they're alternatives to each other? They're not. They're two different things that get regognition for the differnt things they do.
It's like having a bus manufacturer vs bus driver discussion, where the manufacturer is the musician, the driver is the DJ and the passengers are the audience. Does the driver have any skills? - No, he sucks. The engineer rocks! - Wrong, the driver is an engineer imo! - stfu, most drivers can't drive. We should only have engineers working, then the busses will go automatically.
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| SYSTEM-J |
| It's hardly that simple. People who make records out of samples aren't composing anything new, but they can be creating new music out of other tracks. Where does recontextualising someone else's music in a set become new music in its own right? Where do you draw the line? |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by eee.ddd.y
ive seen a good few djs...eddie halliwell was the best...ive been at techno electro house gigs and he stood out the most in my opinion..who would you advise i go see? |
Check out your local scene maybe. I have seen a lot of great technical dj's in my very own home town that I would consider better then a few of these big names. The most recent "Wow!" I have gotten though was from Steve Lawler. I would like to check out Richie Hawtin next, he has really opened my eyes and impressed me with the live sets of his I have on my computer. |
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| d-miurge |
| a DJ is a musician. But a musician is not necessarily an artist. Here is the difference. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
a DJ is a musician. But a musician is not necessarily an artist. Here is the difference. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've just made a grand and significant sounding statement without beginning to explain the reasoning behind it. Which isn't very helpful. |
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| d-miurge |
I just look at the basic definitions of the words:
| quote: | A musician is a person who plays or composes music. Musicians can be classified by their role in creating or performing music:
* A singer (or vocalist) uses his or her voice as an instrument.
* An instrumentalist plays a musical instrument.
* Both singer and instrumentalist can be improvisers, who create real time music.
* Composers and songwriters write music.
* A conductor coordinates a musical ensemble. |
And a DJ plays a musical instrument!
| quote: | Artist is a descriptive term applied to a person who engages in an activity deemed to be an art. It is also used in a qualitative sense of a person creative in, innovative in, or adept at, an artistic practice.
Most often, the term describes those who create within a context of 'high culture', activities such as drawing, painting, sculpture, acting, dancing, writing, filmmaking, photography and music — people who use imagination, and talent or skill, to create works that can be judged to have an aesthetic value. Art historians and critics will define as artists those who produce art within a recognised or recognisable discipline.
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Thanks wikipedia. |
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| SMC |
| Music is an art, so a musician is necessarily an artist. You are contradiciting yourself. |
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| d-miurge |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
Music is an art, so a musician is necessarily an artist. You are contradiciting yourself. |
Do you read the definitions? An artist is more than a simple "music technician" as can be a musician. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
Do you read the definitions? An artist is more than a simple "music technician" as can be a musician. |
* A singer (or vocalist) uses his or her voice as an instrument.
* An instrumentalist plays a musical instrument.
* Both singer and instrumentalist can be improvisers, who create real time music.
* Composers and songwriters write music.
* A conductor coordinates a musical ensemble.
Which one of those is NOT "a person who engages in an activity deemed to be an art"? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
Do you read the definitions? An artist is more than a simple "music technician" as can be a musician. |
You're an idiot. |
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| d-miurge |
| An instrumentalist can be a simple technician for me. For instance, I don't consider the sound engineers who create the instrumental parts for rnb/hip hop as artists, because they are like artisans. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
An instrumentalist can be a simple technician for me. For instance, I don't consider the sound engineers who create the instrumental parts for rnb/hip hop as artists, because they are like artisans. |
And yet you quote an article that says the exact opposite. |
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