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UCLA student: Tased and Confused (pg. 17)
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The article clearly shows that the officers had the right to do their jobs and you guys still think he had a case?
Pray tell, what lawyer would take such a case? :conf: |
And you don't think it's a little ing insane to tase peaceful/non-violent student protestors, over a ing ID nonetheless? Coersion for peaceful protesting? And allowing it to be campus security protocol by 'legitimizing' it? "In Soviet Russia, we tase you." |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Hehe. No :rolleyes:. All it shows is that the system has become so corrupt that the lawyer was intimidated/coerced out of it. He had a pretty good case, and lawyers don't generally quit on their client, it's the clients who's funds run out. You obviously have no clue how ed up the system has gotton. The implications of a trial taking place and all the media coverage it would get would be HUGE, and not favourable to the powers that be who're slowly introducing more and more totalitarian legislation. |
oh come on. wheres your evidence to support intimidation? who was doing the intimidation? the university? haha. im wagering the lawyer dropped the case because he didn't see a chance to win. that's the number 1 reason (asides from publicity) that lawyers take cases. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh come on. wheres your evidence to support intimidation? who was doing the intimidation? the university? haha. im wagering the lawyer dropped the case because he didn't see a chance to win. that's the number 1 reason (asides from publicity) that lawyers take cases. |
Well, everything I said is consistant with the current state of affairs (in this country). So I don't know what 'evidence' for what you're referring to. The entire system is ed, and I woke up to this about 2 years ago. It's pretty damn obvious how corrupt it is on the top (i.e. White House & Congress). But it's also pretty ed up down at the bottom. I've seen plently of footage of police brutality in America, which I didn't believe really existed to that level at all. For example, this one clip which I don't really like recalling, was of some Christian fundamentalists protesting outside an abortion clinic, just sitting down and refusing to move, not doing anything radical whatsoever btw. And then the cops came down, and LITERALLY started torturing people, men, women, old, young, didn't matter with ing nutchucks, cable and whatnot. They were grining an old lady face into the ing pavement and putting in all sorts of locks and stress positions! THEY BROKE THIS GUYS ING ARMS RIGHT IN BROAD DAYLIGHT FOR CHRIST SAKE, BY DELIBERATELY OVEREXTENDING AN ARM LOCK, AND THIS WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET!!! I had no ing clue like this happened in America until like a couple years ago or so. That's probably one of the worse ones I've seen, but I've seen plently of others. Another REALLY ed up one I saw was a post-9-11 one where some lady got dragged out of her car and beaten for stating her right and carrying a copy of the constituion in her car, I mean, WTF? They ing cops (2 of them) looked at her copy of the constitution and said something along the line of "that's a terrorist thing" (I'm hardly paraphrasing here BTW, they literaly said terrorist). Those are just two off the top of my head. It doesn't really surprise me that now we hear of an example of police brutality in a University library. So the system is pretty ed top down. Corruption spreads like a virus, and pretty fast once it reaches a certain general level universally.
And no, I didn't mean the freaking university. :rolleyes: |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
And you don't think it's a little ing insane to tase peaceful/non-violent student protestors, over a ing ID nonetheless? Coersion for peaceful protesting? And allowing it to be campus security protocol by 'legitimizing' it? "In Soviet Russia, we tase you." |
The student didn't comply and was very unruly; didn't you watch the video??
How much times does one (someone of authority no less!) have to ask him to get up, honestly...
Maybe you skipped the most important part of the article?
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UCLA police are allowed to use Tasers on passive resisters as "a pain compliance technique," Assistant Chief Jeff Young said last week. Officers can use the weapons after considering the potential injury to police and to the suspect, as well as the level of the suspect's resistance and the need for a prompt resolution.
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The guy wasn't being burned at a stake for heaven's sake.
He got a judicial jolt, with no side-affects (other than ego) by cops (that got called in) doing their job. EOD. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The student didn't comply and was very unruly; didn't you watch the video?? |
First of all, he was already leaving. The pigs grabbed his arm on the way out which is when he got really upset and asked them to let him go. Gee, how ing unreasonable. So the cops were the ones being dicks in the first place.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
How much times does one (someone of authority no less!) have to ask him to get up, honestly... |
How ing hard is it to pick someone off the ground and drag them away? :rolleyes: What the is wrong with you man?
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Maybe you skipped the most important part of the article?
The guy wasn't being burned at a stake for heaven's sake.
He got a judicial jolt, with no side-affects (other than ego) by cops (that got called in) doing their job. EOD. |
Listen, there is no ing way you can prove what mode they did or didn't have their tasers on. Eigther way, it's not a harmless ing weapon. There's been tons of cases of taser related deaths. A student even said the guy had a medical condition. They could have ing killed him. And there's absolutely no need to continuously tase a handcuffed person on the floor. That's pure ing sadism. Is that doing their job? What the s wrong with you? On top of that, they're screaming "get up, get up or you're gonna get tased again." I mean, WTF? You can't ing move a good 30-40 seconds after being tased. He couldn't possibly have complied with an "order" like that. And the way the guy was screaming made it pretty ing obvious that it wasn't a "mild" shock. :rolleyes: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im wagering the lawyer dropped the case because he didn't see a chance to win. that's the number 1 reason (asides from publicity) that lawyers take cases. |
No, the amount of publicity he would have gotton for this case would have been ridiculous, and could have easily taken it all the way up to the supreme court. You remember that little document called the Constitution with also included this weird thing called the Bill of Rights?
Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
thats that. i figured he was only in it for the publicity. |
That makes absolutely no sense. Going on TV about the issue (with Olbermann, who has a lot of viewers) and then dropping the case right after that isn't exactly good publicity. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
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nowhere in those articles does it state that the lawyer ceased his representation due to outside influence. so you can assume all you want, but that's all you have at this juncture. whilst i appreciate the sentiment and certainly not arguing youre incorrect, i really would wait for more evidence before jumping to this conclusion. i seriously doubt the police force would bother to strong-arm a defence lawyer in this type of case. too much to risk. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Hmmm, in lieu of some of the current developments coming out, namely how it is not against their policy for tasing in situations like this, I'm gonna sit on the sideline for a while and see how this unfolds a bit further before commenting. Clearly it would seem that tasing someone multiple times on the ground with handcuffs crosses any line, let alone this officer's rather colored history. But it's difficult to say how this will unfold. I don't think that the lawyer taking an exit stage left signals anything conclusive, though I do tend to agree that more often than not it is often a signal of an unwinnable case. Still, that lawyer is really quite a piece of work, and her mere photo-op and exposure splashed all over national TV is enough to keep her phones ringing off the hook with fresh meat.
So let's see how this goes down over the next few weeks. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
nowhere in those articles |
This is what I call a being a sheep; the mainstream media must feed you information and form your opinion for you. And we all know how truthfull, reliable, non-manipulative, and trustworthy the mass media is. :rolleyes:
Opinions are based entirely on the information you're exposed to. And whoever controls it has the ability to restricts thought, viewpoints, and forms your opinions for you. No need to investigate or think for yourself right? Or look at other sources of information?
There is absolutely no reason to trust mainstream corporate owned media, given it's track record and modus operandi.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
nowhere in those articles does it state that the lawyer ceased his representation due to outside influence. |
And you seriously think something like that would be reported? :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
so you can assume all you want, but that's all you have at this juncture. whilst i appreciate the sentiment and certainly not arguing youre incorrect, i really would wait for more evidence before jumping to this conclusion. i seriously doubt the police force would bother to strong-arm a defence lawyer in this type of case. too much to risk. |
Jesus man, I wasn't referring to pressure from the police force. The little guy doesn't push pressure on people like lawyers, someone who actually has the ability to effectively intimidate and get compliance does, much higher up in the food chain. That certainly isn't the police.
If this ever goes to court, it will have tons of political ramifications and would likely initiate dialogue about several issues, none of which the powers that be want the public to be concerned with. A few possibilities off the top of my head:
1) An example clearly illustrating an obvious abuse of power, and quite possibly profiling.
2) Completely unecessary and excessive use of force (i.e. brutality).
3) 1 & 2 are a reflection of unconstitutional legislation, protocol, and authoritarian nature of the system as it has become, and the direction this country's very possibly headed.
Whatever combination of the above three will cause even deeper disaproval of the state of affairs in a post 9-11 America, which could lead to alot more public pressure on and opposition to the current Administration. Many people are fed up enough with system as it is already.
On the other hand, if this doesn't go anywhere, it's a clear message to the people of 'authorities' being able to get away with whatever they want, which will only instill fear, which keeps people in line. |
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| shaolin_Z |
Holy crap!
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NYPD Shoot Dead Unarmed Man Hours Before His Wedding
Here in New York, the police department is coming under intense criticism after a group of undercover officers shot and killed a 23-year-old African American man hours before he was supposed to get married to his high school sweetheart. Early Saturday morning, five officers fired 50 shots at a car carrying the groom-to-be, Sean Bell, who had just left his bachelors party with two friends. None of them were armed. Bullets hit Bell in the neck and arm. He died before reaching the hospital. Joseph Guzman is in critical condition after being hit by 11 bullets. Trent Benefield is in stable condition with wounds to his leg. Benefield was screaming out in pain when reporters arrived at the scene Saturday morning.
* Trent Benefield: "I can't feel my legs. Noooo - I can't feel my legs!"
Two transit workers were also injured by stray bullets fired by the police. The police claim the shooting occurred after Bell's car hit an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan. One witness told the Daily News that the undercover police officers didn't identify themselves until after they had begun shooting and that the men initially thought they were being robbed. On Sunday the Rev. Al Sharpton led a protest of hundreds of demonstrators.
* Rev. Al Sharpton: "I've already communicated with the city that this stinks. Something about the story being told does not smell right."
Al Sharpton also criticized police for handcuffing the two men to their hospital beds while they received emergency care. Many people compared the shooting of Sean Bell to the death of Amadou Diallo who was killed in 1999 when police fired 41 shots him. |
Source: DemocracyNow! |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
This is what I call a being a sheep; the mainstream media must feed you information and form your opinion for you. And we all know how truthfull, reliable, non-manipulative, and trustworthy the mass media is. :rolleyes:
Opinions are based entirely on the information you're exposed to. And whoever controls it has the ability to restricts thought, viewpoints, and forms your opinions for you. No need to investigate or think for yourself right? Or look at other sources of information?
There is absolutely no reason to trust mainstream corporate owned media, given it's track record and modus operandi. |
The UCLA Bruin, which is where I've gotten a good amount of the articles I've posted in this thread is hardly MSM.
You really need to stop being SOOO paranoid. Distrust is good, looking for answers is good, but jumping to your own conclusions based on feelings is the opposite of rational behavior, which I think you were condemning Fir3start3r for in the "Should we blame the US thread"
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
It's pretty ing disgusting to have and maintain such a level of ignorance, irrationality, double standards, mindless nationalistic pride, denial, and indoctrination, especially after having been exposed to the facts, so pardon my french. |
The reason I think this went away is because the attorney realized that the students supervising the lab asked him for his ID, not the police, which makes this whole police racism angle a little less credible. If all that they did was enforce, and in doing so, kept in line with UCLA's pretty ridiculous rules that allowing tazing of those who passively resist, he had little case. If his family wasn't paying hourly rates, getting this attorney to take a contingency case that's not very winnable isn't very likely. It's not like this shooting in NYC over the weekend where police unloaded 50 shots at a car. That's completely against police protocol here, and those guys are ed. The police will end up paying for the death (plus the 2 in the hospital) since their officers violated their rules of engagement. |
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