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UCLA student: Tased and Confused (pg. 3)
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sensorium
Rumor has it he did have an ID at the time but refused to show it. If this is true then I would have no option but to assume he wanted to know what it felt like being stunned. |
Multiple times while handcuffed on the floor? |
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| sensorium |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Multiple times while handcuffed on the floor? |
Well he didn't have control of the experiment at any point in time so the extra stunning while handcuffed was a bonus, not deserved but given anyway.
Seriously though, if he did in fact have the ID, why not just show it? I've been reading the thread in that one forum linked in the COR and by the looks of it the student wanted to draw attention and be a martyr. There is no other explanation for making such a scene.
But that doesn't mean I agree with what the police did. Their actions were inadequate as well. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sensorium
Well he didn't have control of the experiment at any point in time so the extra stunning while handcuffed was a bonus, not deserved but given anyway.
Seriously though, if he did in fact have the ID, why not just show it? I've been reading the thread in that one forum linked in the COR and by the looks of it the student wanted to draw attention and be a martyr. There is no other explanation for making such a scene.
But that doesn't mean I agree with what the police did. Their actions were inadequate as well. |
I agree completely. The problem with the police involvement is that they do not have the luxury of being s - they have to comply with the law and their taser policies. As I've mentioned in the COR, I think this is what the question will ultimately come down to in the courts and Internal Affairs.
As for the officer who threatened to tase the kid asking for badge numbers, I have yet to see a worthwhile excuse for that action. My guess is he's got some disciplinary action coming to him for that. But I will try to hold the rest of my judgement until all evidence is presented in testimonies. Admittedly I am only going on what is known so far. |
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| sensorium |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
As for the officer who threatened to tase the kid asking for badge numbers, I have yet to see a worthwhile excuse for that action. My guess is he's got some disciplinary action coming to him for that. But I will try to hold the rest of my judgement until all evidence is presented in testimonies. Admittedly I am only going on what is known so far. |
Yeah, that last part of the video was absurd. Threatening to stun a person because he asks for badge? I couldn't believe it.
Merrick Bobb will be conducting an investigation. Let's wait and see what happens.
On the other side we have the lawsuit though:
Shouldn't they be pursuing something else here? I don't know anything about lawsuits but it seems that using his racial appearance is a bit of a stretch. |
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| sensorium |
Opps. Excessive force is also part of the lawsuit.
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sensorium
On the other side we have the lawsuit though:
Shouldn't they be pursuing something else here? I don't know anything about lawsuits but it seems that using his racial appearance is a bit of a stretch. |
I think that would be pretty damn difficult to prove. But unless I'm mistaken, this is in a civil court so you don't need a unanimous jury. Still, I think it's a stretch and the burden of proof will be pretty high. |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sensorium
Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.
He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles. |
The plot thickens. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Why the didn't anyone jump those cops? :whip: Because we've become a nation of pussies, that's why. :whip: |
No, the truth is, the guy is a known asshat and actually disserved it...
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Okay kids, I'm here!
Yes, I was indeed at Powell Library at approximately 11:30 on Tuesday night, and yes I did see the entire event as it went down.
Let me start off by saying that the guy DEFINITELY was asking to get his ass kicked. He was being extremely rude with the campus patrol guys (who are college students...this was before the real UCPD got called in). He was not complying with their requests to leave the premises, and he was definitely itching for a fight. I actually know the guy and a few of his friends, and I can tell you that he's the kind of guy that loves to make trouble.
Just as a little backstory, one of the quotes the guy has on his facebook (which he now has taken down) was "I like to find the most difficult solutions to the simplest of problems".
He definitely taunted the UCPD into behaving the way they did with him.
Edit: Many people have questioned the fact that the cops tazed him and asked him to get up, and tazed him again even though he shouldn't have the capability to get up. This was not the case here to my knowledge, because the cops were using their "drive-stun" method which administers less of a jolt than normal. I believe this because anyone who can ramble on about this being the patriot act and yell at the top of his lungs should have the capability of getting up.
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All the granola crunching, che-t-shirt wearing students obviously don't know anything about compliance and the consequences of action.
If authority asks you do to something that simple, you do it.
And it was hardly 'cruel' as well if you're wondering about the tazer...
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Let me clear up one thing regarding the Taser and its effects. When you are hit with a Taser, it hurts like a mother******. However, the instant they let off, you feel fine. In fact, you get an endorphin rush like a mother******. I know this from first hand experience. I took a Taser hit for a demo in 2003 at SHOT show. There is no doubt in my mind that this assclown had every ability to get up and walk. Hell, I'd be skipping to jail to keep them from hitting me with the lightning again. Bottom line, this dude was out to make a scene for all the dumb college kids that don't know any better.
Lastly, on the use of force continuum, Taser is lower than physical force by baton or other means. So, before they beat the out of you, they are supposed to Taser you to save you the long term pain. It was a good use of the tool. However, these cops will get crucified in the liberal media as jackbooted thugs.
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In short, this whiny bitch got what he deserved and everyone else is being snowballed according to plan...
But then, when aren't libs? ;) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
No, the truth is, the guy is a known asshat and actually disserved it...
>>Source<<
All the granola crunching, che-t-shirt wearing students obviously don't know anything about compliance and the consequences of action.
If authority asks you do to something that simple, you do it.
And it was hardly 'cruel' as well if you're wondering about the tazer...
>>Source<<
In short, this whiny bitch got what he deserved and everyone else is being snowballed according to plan...
But then, when aren't libs? ;) |
Do you and Tiesto14 have tea together or something? As I've mentioned in the COR thread, what relevance is it to bring about political leanings on this? And regardless of who's being a whiny bitch, that is wholly irrelevant to the act of being tased multiple times while handcuffed on the ground.
And you're using TuckerMax's message board as if it's ing gospel? Jesus, that's not even worth mentioning. I do admit I like the part about feeling a wonderful adrenaline rush after being tased.:rolleyes:
Every police officer I've known (including a few on the local force) seemingly don't share this viewpoint of feeling ing peachy and pumped after being tased. But then again, my word is just as anectodal as the TuckerMax poster. But what's more, it explains nothing about the police actions still. I don't give a if the guy told the officer that he skull-ed his mother - that officer has a responsibility to know when and when not to use such force MULTIPLE times. I'd venture to contend a person on the ground who refuses to get up but is handcuffed and not a threat to anyone does NOT deserve multiple shock treatments.
One tase, perhaps. Multiple tases on a handcuffed turd on the ground - don't buy it. |
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| Krypton |
| I think he's bullting. It's really a secret project he's doing for his political science classes, and we are the subjects. Dont' be fooled. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Do you and Tiesto14 have tea together or something? As I've mentioned in the COR thread, what relevance is it to bring about political leanings on this? And regardless of who's being a whiny bitch, that is wholly irrelevant to the act of being tased multiple times while handcuffed on the ground.
And you're using TuckerMax's message board as if it's ing gospel? Jesus, that's not even worth mentioning. I do admit I like the part about feeling a wonderful adrenaline rush after being tased.:rolleyes:
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When did quoting people who were actually there become such an issue?
Who the hell cares WHAT board they're on? :rolleyes:
You're clouding the fact that SOMEONE FROM THAT BOARD WAS THERE.
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Every police officer I've known (including a few on the local force) seemingly don't share this viewpoint of feeling ing peachy and pumped after being tased. But then again, my word is just as anectodal as the TuckerMax poster. But what's more, it explains nothing about the police actions still. I don't give a if the guy told the officer that he skull-ed his mother - that officer has a responsibility to know when and when not to use such force MULTIPLE times. I'd venture to contend a person on the ground who refuses to get up but is handcuffed and not a threat to anyone does NOT deserve multiple shock treatments.
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Look, if a cop tells you to get out of your car, do you sit there, scream at him and NOT expect consequences? Come on, use your brain man...
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One tase, perhaps. Multiple tases on a handcuffed turd on the ground - don't buy it. |
Sorry, I'm not buying this whole multiple tazer = police brutality bull either.
The whole reasoning for the tazer in the first place was so that law enforcement didn't have to use a world of hurt with batons and such.
It's quite evident from the people from the school, and those that where actually there, that this guy deserved it.
Let's not let the asshat's defiance and whelps strum the kumbiya chords too hard when in the land of reality, he really is getting what he deserved.
If you have the energy for defiance and physobabble about, 'Patriot Act', then you have the energy to get up, IMHO (and obviously the cops thought the same).
If getting up was such an issue, and you can't comply with the order to stand up, THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD THEM THAT instead of continuing to mouth off.
Opus, I thought you were a lot more preceptive that this... |
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