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'Kramer's' Racial Tirade (pg. 12)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shanny
Give me a break Jay, the term african american you know just as good as i do is a commonly used pollitically correct way of referring to people with dark skin colour, i was attempting to be more respectful than Michael Richards.
First of all, I never made the distinction that I was referring to only Canada and not the United States. I understand the point that Canada does not have the violent history that the United States does surrounding the treatment of african americans, I am as proud of that as you are.
However, Canada is not existing in complete independence of the rest of the world. We are aware of the racist history that has taken place throughout the world (and yes i'm sure there are examples of racism violent racism taking place in canada too)just like we are aware that there is still racism taking place to this day.
The fact that it may or may not still be happening in Canada in this circumstance is irrelevant, because the N word transcends the Canadian border. Whether it is used in Canada, the United States or Iceland the word has history, and a hell of a lot more than cracker does. |
it matters that we are in another country. Because our society should not be held accountable for what has happened in other countries. To hold an entire race accountable for what happened to another race regardless of nationality is VERY RACIST. Second, to hold an entire race accountable for actions against another race it hasnt happened for over a century is very racist.
Im sick and tired of being told that i must apologize for things that have nothing to do with me both personally and nationally. Slavery was bad, but thank god that didnt happen here. Same thing with katrina (although i have my reservations about how people say it was a racial thing). But dont go dragging canada into this. We were a HAVEN for blacks who escaped slavery but no one ever talks about that do they?
And a racial word used in hate is just as powerful as another,, so dont go justifying why blacks and others can get away with saying hateful racial things because that just feeds the double standards. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
If you want to be difficult about this, this comedy club is in the US, so American examples will do just fine.
Nobody is saying we don't understand your point, we do. We just have a difference of opinion and, as everyone knows, opinions related to race are almost as hard as those on religion to sway. |
im talking about double standards as it applies to our society |
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| shanny |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
it matters that we are in another country. Because our society should not be held accountable for what has happened in other countries. To hold an entire race accountable for what happened to another race regardless of nationality is VERY RACIST. Second, to hold an entire race accountable for actions against another race it hasnt happened for over a century is very racist.
Im sick and tired of being told that i must apologize for things that have nothing to do with me both personally and nationally. Slavery was bad, but thank god that didnt happen here. Same thing with katrina (although i have my reservations about how people say it was a racial thing). But dont go dragging canada into this. We were a HAVEN for blacks who escaped slavery but no one ever talks about that do they?
And a racial word used in hate is just as powerful as another,, so dont go justifying why blacks and others can get away with saying hateful racial things because that just feeds the double standards. |
I was never asking you to apologize, nor was I saying that Canada should be held accountable. I also don't think that all of the caucasian race should be held responsible for the things that have happened in the past.
I never tried to drag Canada into the debate, but simply stated that there are certain things that transcend borders, regardless of where the borders are.
I think its naive to think that the history of the united states has no impact at all on things that happen here.
Racial words used in hate are all bad, but i still do not agree that they are all equal. From a societal standpoint there are things associated with the N word that just aren't there with cracker.
I'm not defending the use of the word cracker at all, but am just recognizing that there is a difference in the two words. |
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| KaiLee |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
aww, totally untrue. Russell Peters makes fun of everyone and it's funny as hell. |
Russell Peters is doing more than making fun of people, what he talks about is TRUE.....he even said in his interview yesterday that if people want to take what he talks about as making fun of or racism, then that goes that show society today. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shanny
I was never asking you to apologize, nor was I saying that Canada should be held accountable.[quote] Accountable for what exactly?
[quote]I never tried to drag Canada into the debate, but simply stated that there are certain things that transcend borders, regardless of where the borders are. |
You are right and i find it quite offensive that canada gets dragged into the blights of other's histories.
| quote: | | I think its naive to think that the history of the united states has no impact at all on things that happen here. |
You are right. They do have an effect. Canada was the last stop on the underground railroad. We were the REFUGE for black people during slavery. And this is why i will not accept people trying to talk about race relations in canada as if they are on par with the US. They are not and to suggest otherwise is very insulting.
| quote: | | Racial words used in hate are all bad, but i still do not agree that they are all equal. From a societal standpoint there are things associated with the N word that just aren't there with cracker. |
You may be right but thats why i say its a double standard. Neither word should be acceptable when used in the form of hatred. The fact that one is and one isnt is the point of my entire arguement.
| quote: | | I'm not defending the use of the word cracker at all, but am just recognizing that there is a difference in the two words. |
But in a way you are by saying its more acceptable. Not defending it would be saying something like "in our society it's more socially acceptable to say cracker and i feel that this is wrong and unjust. Both words should be avoided equally" |
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| Time2Burn |
Its funny to read 2 people arguing/debating but in fact agreeing with each other.
I'd just like say one thing. Racism is systemic, it crosses borders, cultures, social class it is ingrained into our society. To me racist people are a product of a racist society. Canada is not exempt from this and I would not say we are any better than the USA what so ever, just ask any native.
Using derogetory language is all about context. Chris Rock uses it in his act as an act. Michael Richards used it to ridicule an audience member. |
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| tatgirl |
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| Time2Burn |
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| Jem_hadar |
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| shanny |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But in a way you are by saying its more acceptable. Not defending it would be saying something like "in our society it's more socially acceptable to say cracker and i feel that this is wrong and unjust. Both words should be avoided equally" |
I have to make a distinction on this point. As I have said before I am not advocating the use of any racial slurs and think that the use of them is unacceptable, whether you are using cracker, the N word, something anti-Semitic or any other racial term.
However I want to acknowledgethat on a societal level cracker is more acceptible than the n word, for all of the reasons i have stated before. That has been my argument all along, about acknowledging that justly or not there is a difference between the two words.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The fact that they bleep n*gger on the tv broadcasts and not cracker (and the fact that the word gets edited on here) speaks volumes when it comes to this double standard. |
Here you gave evidence of the influence these words have in our society, it is obvious that one is thought of as more harmful than the other from the fact that television officials have decided one should be censored while the other should not.
It seems as though each time we go back and forth we are coming to a better understanding of what it is that each of us is arguing, which is the purpose of having a discussion like this, and I'm happy that its happening.
If I'm correct, where we stand now is that you are upset that the n word is seen as more harmful than cracker or other racial slurs.
And I want to acknowledge that this is true, and that the reason for it, is the history behind the word, and that should not be ignored. |
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| trancechaos |
im a black man and im staying out of this one, just wanted to say wazzup!!!
peace people! |
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| Stilez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Slavery was bad, but thank god that didnt happen here. |
I too usually agree with alot you have to say, and you bring up some valid points. I've actually read this entire thread, and although I don't agree with everyone's point of view, it is their opinion. Just like it's your right to voice yours over 'Double Standards'.
However, that statement right there made you lose all credibility Jay. Stick to politics, as History (Canadian History at that) is obviously not your Major. |
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