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Slylee's late night emo thread (pg. 5)
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
ypo ur new to the cor. i dont think u know the workings of this inner circle....u got to ask me permission to post here and i didnt see no in pm |
Aww come on, no one's been killed yet from what I've written in the last 6years.
Reduced to swearing, incomprehensible screaming fits and cat pictures ocassionally but I dont think anyone's head's exploded. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
The only real downer is when your heart is hopelessly in love with someone who just doesn't appreciate you, doesn't understand and/or give a about the concept of compromise, and is content with treating you like an expendable piece of .
Sometimes the heart just doesn't know what's good for it. |
alright this thread just turned really gay. love shmove, u guys really need to some latino bitch high of coke who wants her eaten |
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| miamitrance04 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I like this monologue from The Beach:
"When you develop an infatuation for someone you always find a reason to believe that this is exactly the person for you. It doesn't need to be a good reason. Taking photographs of the night sky, for example. Now, in the long run, that's just the kind of dumb, irritating habit that would cause you to split up. But in the haze of infatuation, it's just what you've been searching for all these years." |
that quote and the robin williams quote have a lot of great thought in them, very very intriguing |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Aww come on, no one's been killed yet from what I've written in the last 6years.
Reduced to swearing, incomprehensible screaming fits and cat pictures ocassionally but I dont think anyone's head's exploded. |
listen baby, i like you, you get a free pass, now run along lil dun dun |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Not as a gross generalisation last I checked? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre
| quote: | The basis of Sartre's existentialism is found in The Transcendence of the Ego. To begin with, the thing-in-itself is infinite and overflowing. Any direct consciousness of the thing-in-itself, Sartre refers to as a "pre-reflective consciousness". Any attempt to describe, understand, historicize etc. the thing-in-itself, Sartre calls "reflective consciousness". There is no way for the reflective consciousness to subsume the pre-reflective, and so reflection is fated to a form of anxiety, i.e. the human condition. The reflective consciousness in all its forms, (scientific, artistic or otherwise) can only limit the thing-in-itself by virtue of its attempt to understand or describe it. It follows therefore that any attempt at self-knowledge (self-consciousness) is a construct that fails no matter how often it is attempted. (self-consciousness is a reflective consciousness of an overflowing infinite) In Sartre's words (or more accurately an interpretation of Sartre's words), "Conciousness is consciousness of itself insofar as it is consciousness of a transcendent object".
The same holds true about knowledge of the "Other". The "Other" (being) is a construct of reflective consciousness. One must be careful to understand this more as a form of warning than as an ontological statement. However, there is an implication of Solipsism here that Sartre considers fundamental to any coherent description of the human condition. [1]
Sartre overcomes this Solipsism by a kind of ritual. Self consciousness needs "the Other" to prove (display) its own existence. It has a "masochistic desire" to be limited, i.e. limited by the reflective consciousness of another subject. This is expressed metaphorically in the famous line of dialogue from No Exit, "Hell is other people". |
blablabla, yeah, I know it is really existential, but there is a certain why and a reason to why we fall in love at all. Is everyone even meant to fall in love? Wouldn't that denote some sort of predestination? Our expectations of love and friendship may be what causes us to be hurt in life at all - but still we pursue these things, knowing that, even at best, they cannot last forever. Or do they? |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I like this monologue from The Beach:
"When you develop an infatuation for someone you always find a reason to believe that this is exactly the person for you. It doesn't need to be a good reason. Taking photographs of the night sky, for example. Now, in the long run, that's just the kind of dumb, irritating habit that would cause you to split up. But in the haze of infatuation, it's just what you've been searching for all these years." |
Heheh nice quote.
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
The only real downer is when your heart is hopelessly in love with someone who just doesn't appreciate you, doesn't understand and/or give a about the concept of compromise, and is content with treating you like an expendable piece of .
Sometimes the heart just doesn't know what's good for it. |
Yeah being in love with a selfish bitch sucks balls... Almost as pathetic as being in love with someone who doesn't feel the same way about you. |
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| Clovis |
| Its certainly something to think about, but who knows the real answer. Usually, you cant say why you love someone...you just do. |
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| Lilith |
| Predestination, by definition last I checked I wasnt up there with god on making the big calls with any kind of infalliable accuracy. Hence, operate within realistic boundaries rather than be chasing something which probably doesnt exist. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Is everyone even meant to fall in love? Wouldn't that denote some sort of predestination? |
Everyone has the capacity to love, but it doesn't mean we are all "meant to". Using that language assumes predestination, it's a loaded question. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
It seems to me that you seek a very high degree of dependability in someone you love then? Doesn't sound like love. Sounds like companionship. Or just trying to establish a prudent relationship that would create the optimum environment for compatibility and reproduction. Sounds doomed. |
Its really not dependability, if thats even a word. Im working on my PhD right now and have always ALWAYS set goals for myself so that I would never have to depend on anyone else, even when Im married. I think youre reading me wrong. I just want someone who is motivated and takes on some responsibility in life. Financially, emotionally, and eventually with children. Its not such an uncommon thing for women to want. Ive progressively wanted this characteristic more and more since college.
| quote: | | But I'm a child of divorce, so my views are, as everyone's are in some way, quite biased and cynical. |
Me too, its why I have ridiculously high standards. I know whats going to eventually piss me off, and I dont want to even start something with someone if they dont live up to a few bars I have set. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Predestination, by definition last I checked I wasnt up there with god on making the big calls with any kind of infalliable accuracy. Hence, operate within realistic boundaries rather than be chasing something which probably doesnt exist. |
Now I don't mean to sound like I "live life on the edge" or something ridiculous like that, but I think that taking risks against what is probably realistic is what life is all about. We don't really have a reason to be here - humans could spontaneously disappear tomorrow and I bet the only ones who would miss us would be our dogs and cats, saying "alright - where the is my dinner??". Things are absurd and chaotic and they don't make sense at all sometimes, but that doesn't mean that's the end of it. I think, in many ways, the purpose of each human being (self-assigned or otherwise?) is to create his or her own reality in some sense, and that this aspect of our sentient existence is what causes all pleasure and pain between human beings. I don't think that assessing what others tell you or you think to be realistic is the way you will find the most out of your life - I think that people let their own realities suppress others sometimes, and that everyone wants you to conform to what they expect out of you because that's what corresponds best to their reality. In that sense, Hell is other people. :p But the good side about that might just be that Heaven is other people as well - and when you create that reality with somebody else, and you both respect one another, regardless of expectation, it can be a very beautiful thing. Love is just a word, after all - it's a very abused term, too - like 'art' and 'peace'.
I guess what I am trying to say is that "chasing something which probably doesnt exist" is just as foolish as chasing something that does. Seeing the goodness and the wholeness in another person (even if you must chase them) is something that you must create, not look for.
/ambling, out of control emo nonsense |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | | Yeah being in love with a selfish bitch sucks balls... Almost as pathetic as being in love with someone who doesn't feel the same way about you. |
Heh true. People tend to hide their true colors in the beginning of the relationship. Once you start caring for them and they feel secure, then here comes the train. By that point, you already have strong feelings and it's harder to tell them to off. |
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