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I wonder if Saddam brought KY Jelly with him (pg. 13)
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| Vlad |
So Im wrong, but than again, they didnt need as much oil in the 70s since there werent as many cars around as there are now.
Well Jr. is just an idiot for going to war for the pride of his father, who understood the implications of going in there which is why he didnt go on further with Desert Storm - but Bush being the monkey looking idiot he is, decided to go in on a whim. Again, Im not against going in there, Im against how he did it - Its just very sloppy work. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
I just wanted to say that the levels of stupidity on both sides of the arguments in this thread amaze me. It's this black/white view that most of you have that is the main problem.
Oh, and sandstorm, we import less now than we did in some of the years you put up, and even in the graphs you posted, that's less than 10% (more like 7%) of our usage. Recent stats for Jan. 2005- Oct. 2006 - http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ent/import.html. We get more than twice as much oil from people like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, who also hates us. The military staging grounds and alliances in that area are more valuable in the long run than the oil.
Just as a throwout question which I have my own personal thoughts on, but would like to see what those of you who are on the "we're only there for oil" side of things think: Would more of you be happier if the Middle East had nothing to offer the West (i.e. oil) and ended up in the sort of ignored turmoil that goes on in Africa? |
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| DJ Eco |
| i'm not really in the realm of "it's all for oil", i know that's not true, but i guess i'll address your question.... iraq is so much different than the situations in africa... most of the middle eastern conflicts are in such a different boat than what's going on in sudan, for example.... what's going on in sudan is a crisis.... it's beyond turmoil, it's a humanity crisis... if we hadn't put our hands in iraq, there wouldn't be turmoil in the first place, and as crazy as it is now, it's not even a humanity crisis as much as the africa situation is (aids, genocide, etc.)... we will never find out, for at least a decade or two, exactly why we were in there (or what drove cheney to write articles about iraqi occupation, years before the fact) |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Apparently youre missing the sarcasm, I just look at it this way... if you know they are coming for you, get out of there. Youre gonna loose everything anyway, might as well get out with your life while you can... right? |
dude, it's not a hurricane or tornado they're deealing with.... the US government themselves claimed "theyll be greeting us with open arms!" before the invasion... and now, it's THEIR fault for not leaving? stupidity. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Oh, and sandstorm, we import less now than we did in some of the years you put up.
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Did i ever say it was alot? And the numbers havnt changed recently...
U.S. Crude Oil and Petroleum Products Imports from Iraq (Thousand Barrels)
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1996 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 423
1997 0 0 1,070 2,532 3,174 3,461 2,728 10 0 5,487 6,614 7,454
1998 1,110 0 3,947 7,606 4,243 8,102 8,854 22,093 15,514 19,728 16,267 15,054
1999 15,050 19,062 24,522 24,879 23,258 23,195 21,074 20,825 22,242 28,580 21,383 20,694
2000 7,879 21,757 14,506 19,705 13,593 24,912 23,636 23,723 22,935 20,236 17,541 16,381
2001 9,596 7,088 17,942 26,401 31,356 24,304 22,003 17,455 35,771 36,501 26,661 34,920
2002 30,636 19,852 25,209 18,584 14,947 5,015 9,327 7,620 4,428 7,695 12,100 12,225
2003 19,642 26,963 21,110 22,157 3,980 0 2,091 3,875 10,869 22,771 21,194 21,011
2004 17,927 18,725 20,301 23,069 20,891 19,069 18,373 24,805 18,680 20,070 18,872 19,409
2005 15,272 15,435 16,974 17,069 18,726 18,241 19,915 11,442 13,775 17,890 17,148 12,100
2006 16,497 12,594 14,766 15,934 20,650 18,499 18,354 19,218 19,637 15,657
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Just as a throwout question which I have my own personal thoughts on, but would like to see what those of you who are on the "we're only there for oil" side of things think: Would more of you be happier if the Middle East had nothing to offer the West (i.e. oil) and ended up in the sort of ignored turmoil that goes on in Africa? |
It's not about oil |
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| Vlad |
| I think were there for a couple of reasons. We were aware of Iran, taking control of Iraq gives us a good piece of the puzzle. We could careless about Iraq, we just want to have some extra umph since Israel is having its own storm. Israel loosing control between Lebannon and the Palestinians, coupled with Sharon's illness is a reason why we are there. The strength of Israel there gave us a big chip in the middle east, since it lost some flare we needed to step in. Once the US gets what its wants out of the middle east, they will probably abandon Israel cause they wont have use for it. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
dude, it's not a hurricane or tornado they're deealing with.... the US government themselves claimed "theyll be greeting us with open arms!" before the invasion... and now, it's THEIR fault for not leaving? stupidity. |
Cause not everyone had open arms. But... a statement like that... doesnt it mean they were foreshadowing something? Which means there was time to prepare. |
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| Vlad |
| Look, Im not gonna be compassionate about a country and people of which dont want to be helped. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
Did i ever say it was alot? And the numbers havnt changed recently...
U.S. Crude Oil and Petroleum Products Imports from Iraq (Thousand Barrels)
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1996 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 423
1997 0 0 1,070 2,532 3,174 3,461 2,728 10 0 5,487 6,614 7,454
1998 1,110 0 3,947 7,606 4,243 8,102 8,854 22,093 15,514 19,728 16,267 15,054
1999 15,050 19,062 24,522 24,879 23,258 23,195 21,074 20,825 22,242 28,580 21,383 20,694
2000 7,879 21,757 14,506 19,705 13,593 24,912 23,636 23,723 22,935 20,236 17,541 16,381
2001 9,596 7,088 17,942 26,401 31,356 24,304 22,003 17,455 35,771 36,501 26,661 34,920
2002 30,636 19,852 25,209 18,584 14,947 5,015 9,327 7,620 4,428 7,695 12,100 12,225
2003 19,642 26,963 21,110 22,157 3,980 0 2,091 3,875 10,869 22,771 21,194 21,011
2004 17,927 18,725 20,301 23,069 20,891 19,069 18,373 24,805 18,680 20,070 18,872 19,409
2005 15,272 15,435 16,974 17,069 18,726 18,241 19,915 11,442 13,775 17,890 17,148 12,100
2006 16,497 12,594 14,766 15,934 20,650 18,499 18,354 19,218 19,637 15,657
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Sorry, mistook what you were saying since you were saying when you quoted Vlad, especially since a lot of people still think we are there just for oil. If this were an oil driven war, we could have selected a few other countries. For example, a war with Saudi Arabia, where many of the 9/11 hijackers were from, would have been just as easy to sell to the American people. Hell, we could have just thrown a huge PR campaign to have the Mexicans overthrow their government since so many of them seem to want to live here that we could have just taken their country on as new states  :happy2: |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Cause not everyone had open arms. But... a statement like that... doesnt it mean they were foreshadowing something? Which means there was time to prepare. |
it's not foreshadowing anything haha it's showing that even the government didn't think there would be so much violence as there was, dude.... the turmoil that ensued shocked them as much as the people living in the country and affected by it |
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| trunks1022 |
| mission accomplished. sorta |
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