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**** Detox (pg. 13)
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| DJMiakoda |
Interesting story...
3 years ago I watched an emergency rescue crew cut a family out of their sedan after it had been hit by a drunk driver, a repeat offender drunk driver with no license (his license had been taken away due to prior DUI offenses, some of those offenses occurred while he was underage), the guy was blindingly drunk, didn't see the stop sign as he came to the top of the hill on the street I lived on, he plowed into the sedan at 60 miles per hour, he didn't even brake.
He killed the driver and the passenger but not their 3 year old daughter riding in the back seat, she was in critical condition for some time in the hospital, but ultimately she survived, unfortunately for her, she'll never really know her parents thanks to someone who thought it was fine to ignore the laws of this country.
The drunk driver was on parole at the time for previous DUI offenses when this happened.
It was heartbreaking to watch this story unfold and I didn't even know any of these people.
Bottom line: the laws are in place for everyone's safety, not because lawmakers want to ruin everyone's fun, it's because like this happens more than you want to know. |
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| Caela |
| quote: | | Originally posted by DJMiakoda |
:( I agree that no one should drive while intoxicated and they should be severely repremanded.
Drinking a few beers underage and waking up in detox...not so much. |
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| bobba lou |
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
beruit/quarters ;) |
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| DJMiakoda |
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
:( I agree that no one should drive while intoxicated and they should be severely repremanded.
Drinking a few beers underage and waking up in detox...not so much. |
I understand, but something you might want to think about is that the laws are made for the greater good of all of the people, not just one or two.
You may excercise complete common sense while under the influence, that doesn't mean everyone else does.
Some people handle themselves very well while under the influence, some people get aggressive and belligerent, some people like the one mentioned in the story I posted lose any ability to excercise common sense, they judge their abilities poorly and innocent people pay the consequences.
I'm sure you know it is impossible to tailor every law to every individual specifically, law enforcemnet would go crazy trying to determine what is right and what is wrong for each and every person and their effectiveness would be rendered useless.
So the laws are written as a generalization for everyone's safety.
Just some food for thought. |
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| jdat |
Sounds like you really aren't taking responsability for your actions. You did something that was illegal and you aren't wanting to act like an adult in regards to that.
As far as I am concerned you are just waiting for this situation to happen to you again in the future ( oh wait ... this isn't your first time! )
Don't try to give the rest of the people on this forum a lesson about being cool. You got busted and you couldn't get out of the situation without it hurting you. Sounds like are the one lacking in the cool department.
My advice which I posted before but I'm assuming you intentionally brushed off is to arm yourself to be able to respond before if you were to be confronted to the police again. . . .
Don't want to ask reasonably and avoid trying to get caught again well then you're just waiting for more problems around the corner. |
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| Caela |
one year left...one year left...one year left...
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
You live in Toronto where the drinking age is 19. I'm going to assume that your college campuses are composed of kids that are all able to drink.
Here, to split up a campus 50/50 with kids that are over and under 21 DOES NOT WORK. There's no way you're going to keep the under 21 from drinking. So, why is the law trying to swim against the tide? Obviously the drinking age being 21 is not effective. |
This isn't true. Our legal drinking age is 19, yes, however, we finish highschool at 17-18. Therefore, our first and second year students are often underagers. This has become a more recent phenomenon with the abolishment of Grade 13, but it has become a large problem. The amount of "reported" underage drinking has spiked in the last few years.
Personally, I don't think we should have ever gotten rid of grade 13, but that's irrelevant. The point is, we have the same problems here as you do. Should we make legal drinking age 17 now? You know what, a legal drinking age altogether. Let's allow 13 year olds to go out to the bar and get trashed!
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Why the do you get done when you weren't even driving? For all they knew, you might not have even been aware of the fact that your driver wasn't sober. |
Perhaps this is an American thing, I don't know for sure, but I know in Canada that if you're pulled over, and as a passenger are found to be with a drunk driver, you are not held responsible, and cannot get into trouble. In fact, they will often breathalize you ONLY to find out if you are sober enough to drive the car the rest of the way home.
However, if you are not legal drinking age, the people who ARE legal drinking age can get in for supplying you with the means to get drunk, driver or not.
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
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The reason they kept you in detox was because you are underage. It is the responsibility of the police to make sure that as someone who is not legally allowed to be intoxicated, you are kept safe and under watch until you sober up. How can they be sure you wouldn't go home and impale yourself with a knife, or start vomitting and drown in your own puke? If that had happened, it would be the fault of the police, and with your sue happy country, your parents could make a bundle.
Bottom line: you are legally not allowed to drink. You drank anyway. You broke a law, you have to deal with the consequences, whether you think them fair or not. Why? Because if they don't do their job THEY can get in trouble for YOUR stupidity.
I will admit... I started drinking at 14 years old. I had many a trashed/ed up night WAY before I turned 19. Luckily, I never got caught, and I know if I did, I would bitch and whine about it too. I mean, no one likes to be told they can't go outside and play, but life's a bitch, and there are rules for a reason. So, try and understand that although it sucks, you gotta deal with it. If you REALLY believe the legal drinking age should change, consider talking to your representative. Maybe organize a petition, or a rally. Maybe write a letter.
Complaining about it wont do anything, and continuously breaking the law wont do all either... in fact that may lend some weight to the reason they have the age limit so high in the first place. It shows a lot about your maturity level when you whine and complain about something, and then go ahead and do it again anyway. |
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| Caela |
Thanks for your input...you made a lot of good points.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Theresa It shows a lot about your maturity level when you whine and complain about something, and then go ahead and do it again anyway. |
As for complaining...I made this thread when I got home this morning. I was obviously pissed off and not quite 100% sober yet.
As for drinking, I enjoy it. I guess I shouldn't complain about getting caught. But we all have our vices. |
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| Eric Siefer |
After reading through all 13 pages I'm inclined to comment...
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
I am very rebellious by nature. I don't like authority and am very realistic when it comes to questioning things. I need to have a direct reason for why things are they way they are. Like last night, it wasn't very realistic to keep me in detox when I could walk home. What was the purpose of that? They knew where I lived. I was intoxicated but not nearly to the point where I needed to be locked up and put in a room.
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I too have a problem with authority in general. There is the possibility they put you in the drunk tank to be asses. But look at it from another perspective: Now I'm assuming it was late(or atleast dark), If they would have let you walk home and something were to happen to you, they would have gotten their asses handed to them, and probably lost their jobs. Granted it was only 2 blocks, but I remember hearing some statistic that most crimes occur close to the home.
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Just because someone tells you to do it (law or otherwise) doesn't make it right.
Imperical thought needs to be used at all time...if someone tells you that you're outside when you're clearly inside, doesn't mean you should believe them. This is going completely away from the topic of the thread. |
I totally agree with this. But getting caught for it doesn't help out your cause at all (right or wrong).
| quote: | Originally posted by Caela
Since each state is technically allowed to change their drinking age (government funding for roads will be taken away though...), why doesn't one state just rebel? I mean, yes taxes would go up, but I'm sure they would make a ton of money with the alcohol they sell (up the taxes on that, too).
Does anyone know if there are other vices that the federal government uses to keep the drinking age at 21? |
I have a few comments on this. Since the majority of people who actually vote aren't in our age group (18-25), they pretty much elect our representatives and senators. If they changed the drinking age to 18, I'm almost positive that they wouldn't be in office next term. (Of course I'm not sure if they can do that or if there would be a ballot iniative on it in which case the people would vote, and that would require getting a percentage of the population to sign a petition to get it on the ballot.. etc)... Anway I'm getting off subject.
Since our age group doesn't excercise their right to vote as much as they should, the older population makes the laws. This is also the population that has families, that most likely dont go and get faced on a regular basis. In their eyes the drinking age law not only protects them, but their significant other and children too.
Imagine if the drinking age was 18. I knew many 18 year olds in high school, that would mean alchohol would have been more accessible to high school students(Not that it's not easy enough now). Then we have a bunch of drivers who just received their license driving around drunk, causing more accidents.
Now this is all worst-case scenario, and implying that all underage people are irresponsible. But count the number of people you know(or have met/seen) that get designated drivers(21 or not), and count the number of people that drive drunk(21 or not). I'm willing to guess the latter outweighs the proir.
To end this extremely long post. The law sucks when your underage. Detox sucks at any age, but it was for your safety(unless they put you in there to be s in the firstplace in which case the police). And like many others have said in this thread, if you play along with them and not put off the "F**K the system" attitude when they pull you over, they'll most likely let you go. Play the game, and you wont get busted. Have a good excuse, get to know someone whos parents are cops(or someone else in a powerful position) and name drop. Authority sucks, but learn to not get caught.
Now I'm goin to go knock on some wood because I probably just screwed up any luck I might have had there. |
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| Eric Siefer |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMiakoda
I understand, but something you might want to think about is that the laws are made for the greater good of all of the people, not just one or two.
You may excercise complete common sense while under the influence, that doesn't mean everyone else does.
Some people handle themselves very well while under the influence, some people get aggressive and belligerent, some people like the one mentioned in the story I posted lose any ability to excercise common sense, they judge their abilities poorly and innocent people pay the consequences.
I'm sure you know it is impossible to tailor every law to every individual specifically, law enforcemnet would go crazy trying to determine what is right and what is wrong for each and every person and their effectiveness would be rendered useless.
So the laws are written as a generalization for everyone's safety.
Just some food for thought. |
I should have waited a few minutes before typing my response up. This is exactly what I was trying to say in much fewer words. |
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| Caela |
edward 40hands tonight? muahahaha.
/stupidity |
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| Ygrene |
Hey guess what(interrobang)
I'm drinking HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
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