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6 Canadian soldiers killed in Afghan bomb blast
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| erdega |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18009802/
This is clear as ever that Canada should immediatelly withdraw from Afghanistan and an imperialist entity known as nato and let brits and yanks fight for their empire. Both of those have gone after oil in Iraq and prefer killing civilians from the skies to make a point while our canadian soldiers bear the brunt of hostilities on the ground . |
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| Q5echo |
you mean Canada should withdraw from NATO?
or should we explain to you how that works? |
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| erdega |
| I am not against international presence in Afghanistan but it should be a peace keeping mission but not like this where Americans bomb indisriminatelly from the skies and canadian soldiers have to fight taliban bombers on the ground . As far as Canada and nato, yes it should withdraw, it's no good for canada and makes us a target for anti american imperialism |
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| hardcore trancer |
| we will be fighting even more American wars as long as we have Harper in charge.:nervous: |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18009802/
This is clear as ever that Canada should immediatelly withdraw from Afghanistan and an imperialist entity known as nato and let brits and yanks fight for their empire. Both of those have gone after oil in Iraq and prefer killing civilians from the skies to make a point while our canadian soldiers bear the brunt of hostilities on the ground . |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
I am not against international presence in Afghanistan but it should be a peace keeping mission but not like this where Americans bomb indisriminatelly from the skies and canadian soldiers have to fight taliban bombers on the ground . As far as Canada and nato, yes it should withdraw, it's no good for canada and makes us a target for anti american imperialism |
Oh boy. This will be fun. (And I'm bored from studying for exams)
Fact 1
-Peacekeeping (in its original concept) happens when 2 warring parties (or more) invites UN (or other supposedly neutral party) to act as peacekeepers to monitor ceasefire/treaty whatever.
Afghanistan does not meet that criteria, therefore traditional peacekeeping mission cannot happen
Fact 2
-Canada is acting under mandate granted by UN resolutions (forgot number) which grants NATO authority to kick Taliban out and support Karzai govt. (You can blame Russia, China, France for not vetoing those resolutions. Last time I checked, they don't follow US policy blindly)
Fact 3
-Taliban is acknowledged as known mass murderers and violators of human rights. They are fundamentalists that pervert the message of Islam for their own use, and will use any methods to implement their twisted way of life on the people of Afghanistan. (If you think that's ok, then well, I give up)
Fact 4
-The people of Afghanistan have suffered for many years (30+) of war, and they desperately need international aid to build a society that is better for their future. (Afghanistan ranks near the bottom on UN Quality of Life index) However, because of attacks by Taliban and other insurgent groups, humanitarian work cannot go on until the insurgents are neutralized and areas safe for humanitarian workers to do their work without need for security.
The Taliban has every vested interest in attacking infrastructures being built, because that takes away support from them, and they cannot provide same or better quality of life for Afghan people. Therefore they will use every method, incl. kidnapping, extortion, outright attacks on civilians
Fact 5
-The current Afghan govt lead by Hamid Karzai and the legislative bodies are elected by the Afghan people. While they have their problems, it is still a young govt learning to provide a govt for a nation that has not had an effective govt for a long time and with help of other nations, the govt will learn better.
Fact 6
-Despite the myth that NATO and other Coalition forces are indiscriminate in attacks on civilians, standard Rules of Engagement does not permit such attacks on civilians. It only makes sense as the fastest way of losing local support is by causing civilian casualties.
However, the Taliban has no regard for civilian casualties, and will continue to try to get NATO to cause civilian casualties whenever possible by using civilian homes as battlefields. Having said that, mistakes do happen and NATO have caused civilian casualties before, bu compared to what the Taliban is responsible for, it is miniscule.
As for Canadians withdrawing from NATO to stop Islamic fundamentalists attacks on Canada, are you serious?
These guys are bent on their version of perverted Islamic theocracy on the entire world in the name of Allah. They are against everything that Canada stands for, such as democracy, freedom of religion and speech, human rights, etc.
Withdrawing from NATO is not going to change that.
(And why hasn't France withdrawn from NATO? They are against the Yanks half the time and piss them off) |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
we will be fighting even more American wars as long as we have Harper in charge.:nervous: |
You do realize that it's Cretin that authorized Afghanistan mission? (You know, the one that sent 3 PPCLI to actively root out Taliban and kill them?)
And Martin continued it? And Harper is only continuing what the Liberals started? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
I am not against international presence in Afghanistan but it should be a peace keeping mission but not like this where Americans bomb indisriminatelly from the skies and canadian soldiers have to fight taliban bombers on the ground . As far as Canada and nato, yes it should withdraw, it's no good for canada and makes us a target for anti american imperialism |
Am I missing something or did you fail to notice that the 6 Canadians were killed by a roadside bomb. Where is this "Americans bomb indicriminately (notice I bothered to spell correctly)" bull coming from? One side targets and bombs (and occasionally makes a mistake), the other plants motion detected bombs that indiscriminately kill anyone.
Lastly, the totals so far in over 5 years clearly show that more Americans are dying than Canadians or Brits. There should be since there are more of us there. I'm not trying to disregard the loss that your country takes with each death, but you make it sound like 6 people dying from a roadside bomb should be some breaking point for removal. More people die in car accidents in one hour in one Canadian province than died all day in the one bad day that you pointed out in Afghanistan. Maybe you should withdraw from car ownership, too.
I hate people who are so uninformed yet feel that they get the right to an opinion. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
I am not against international presence in Afghanistan but it should be a peace keeping mission but not like this where Americans bomb indisriminatelly from the skies and canadian soldiers have to fight taliban bombers on the ground . As far as Canada and nato, yes it should withdraw, it's no good for canada and makes us a target for anti american imperialism |
it not clear, really, what you want is it? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
it not clear, really, what you want is it? |
Its clear what some of these "muslim", "arab", Persian decendents who live in Canada "really want. An Islamic World that will be so perfect, so much better than the good old West Style of government will bring.....
ing clown shoes these people are.....clown shoes |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Am I missing something or did you fail to notice that the 6 Canadians were killed by a roadside bomb. Where is this "Americans bomb indicriminately (notice I bothered to spell correctly)" bull coming from? One side targets and bombs (and occasionally makes a mistake), the other plants motion detected bombs that indiscriminately kill anyone.
Lastly, the totals so far in over 5 years clearly show that more Americans are dying than Canadians or Brits. There should be since there are more of us there. I'm not trying to disregard the loss that your country takes with each death, but you make it sound like 6 people dying from a roadside bomb should be some breaking point for removal. More people die in car accidents in one hour in one Canadian province than died all day in the one bad day that you pointed out in Afghanistan. Maybe you should withdraw from car ownership, too.
I hate people who are so uninformed yet feel that they get the right to an opinion. |
Opinions are like s. Everyone has one.
Anyways, here's why a lot of Canadians are sensitive over Canadian casualties.
Canada was brought up believing in the peacekeeper myth, that the sole purpose of Canadian military is to defend Canada and to be peacekeepers. (Go kiss babies and deliver food or whatever) Supposedly differentiate Canada from warmongering Yanks who like to kill babies and whatnot.
So, when Canada took active part in Afghanistan, people are like, WTF. That's so un-Canadian. Canadian soldiers start to die. People are like, ohnoes! Canadians are dying in an actual war! (Forgetting that peacekeepers died in UN missions too)
Doesn't help that the Canadian media has some sort of circus everytime a Canadian soldier dies, putting the general Canadian public more sensitive to casualties.
Feeding upon that... fear, some political parties (aka New Dummycrats or NDP) are like, support the troops. Bring the boys home and other stupid stuff like that.
46 deaths in 5 yrs (I'm pretty sure that's the count) soldiers affect a lot of people in CF, since we don't have many soldiers. (It's like if you're in the same branch in the army, you either know the person, or know a person that know that person) But compared to other death rates (Toronto has 55 homicides in 2005 alone) it's just silly and dramatically blown out of proportion. |
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| Magnetonium |
Canada needs nothing in Afghanistan. We have all the oil, gas, water, electricity, etc. we will ever need. Why waste money on a stupid war losing our precious troops while we can put money for something more useful instead of fighting an American war? Its pointless. Its a waste of human lives, money, time and making Canada look bad in the Muslim world. Absolutely nothing to gain other than US happy to use us. We already provide enough for USA with oil and energy. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Canada needs nothing in Afghanistan. We have all the oil, gas, water, electricity, etc. we will ever need. Why waste money on a stupid war losing our precious troops while we can put money for something more useful instead of fighting an American war? Its pointless. Its a waste of human lives, money, time and making Canada look bad in the Muslim world. Absolutely nothing to gain other than US happy to use us. We already provide enough for USA with oil and energy. |
what's in it for you, right?
typical clueless leftist. espouse the clamorous need for man to give up for the man in need, but when it comes to real sacrifice his honor becomes his own and noone elses...followed by your typical blame the U.S. tripe.
Magnetorium says "Canada needs nothing from
Afghanistan!" what if Afghanistan needs your country?
you are whats wrong. sorry. |
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