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Iran's uranium enrichment now at "industrial scale" (pg. 2)
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| ResonantDrag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Hardly something to be going to war over. |
it's still 3,000 more reasons than our last outing.
this is not good news for any side/perspective. i don't envy the job of the involved diplomats from our country and the rest of the world as well. so long as iran is developing a nuclear program, denouncing Israel and supporting the insurgency in iraq, they will have a hard time convincing anyone, even the most naive, that this is a peaceful program.
and the world knows that our military is stretched too thin, we can't use that as a threat (unless you believe that NATO can do anything without the US). now that i think about it, maybe a timelined withdrawal from iraq is a good idea after all. |
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| NeoPhono |
I'm certainly not trying to be anti-Iranian, if that was how my comment was interpreted. I'm simply anti-nuclear, at least when the potential of weapons is there.
It's simply the law of averages; more nuclear weapons available, even if that just means more materials for nuclear weapons available, the higher the chance of someone actually using them. So far we've been limited to two nuclear detonations being used in war-time in the past 50-60 years, and compared to the potential of nuclear weapons today, they were tiny. Call me pesimistic, but the more the ability to use them spreads, the higher the chance of them being used again. And I'm sorry if this sounds anti-Iran, but nuclear weapons in an unstable environment and region increase the risk even further.
Before people jump on the "Iran has a right to nuclear energy" bandwagon, that's fine, but you also have to take into account offers from other countries to supply fuel rods that could not be used for weapons. Iran rejected that and they rejected inspections they agreed to in the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, which doesn't ease many minds, especially mine. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Well, thats the whole point of this thread - to make Iran look bad and justify American and British diplomacy and plans for their actions. It doesnt provide any working or long term solutions to the problem other than criticism and telling that Iran is solely responsible and at fault here exclusively. Funny how Americans couldn't care less about Iranian nuclear power plant program long ago when the reactors started building in 1994-1995. Kinda too late to pull the plug now, after billions of dollars in investments, contracts. |
The point of the thread is to discuss a current event. Additionally, I can post my opinion to go alongside the article because it's a forum. It's not about hating Iran. But currently Iran is acting as a so-called rogue nation. Personally, I don't want Iran whose regime is run by an apocolyptic cult to have nuclear weapons. Stop freaking out., |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
The point of the thread is to discuss a current event. Additionally, I can post my opinion to go alongside the article because it's a forum. It's not about hating Iran. But currently Iran is acting as a so-called rogue nation. Personally, I don't want Iran whose regime is run by an apocolyptic cult to have nuclear weapons. Stop freaking out., |
First, how is it apocalyptic? I'm not aware of any of them thinking that the world is ending any time soon. Second, I do believe you can hardly call a group with so much power struggle and uncohesivenes a cult. I was waiting in the other thread for you evidence that they are building nuclear weapons. You have quite a sureness in your writing for something that is completely conjecture. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Before people jump on the "Iran has a right to nuclear energy" bandwagon, that's fine, but you also have to take into account offers from other countries to supply fuel rods that could not be used for weapons. Iran rejected that and they rejected inspections they agreed to in the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, which doesn't ease many minds, especially mine. |
Hadn't heard about the offer by other countries. I do believe that this situation with Iran could've been sidestepped since the beginning if other more powerful countries understood that you can't start a negotiation by trying to have someone bend over. It's sad how stupid both sides in this situation have and can be. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
First, how is it apocalyptic? I'm not aware of any of them thinking that the world is ending any time soon. Second, I do believe you can hardly call a group with so much power struggle and uncohesivenes a cult. I was waiting in the other thread for you evidence that they are building nuclear weapons. You have quite a sureness in your writing for something that is completely conjecture. |
I already told you that the problem isn't that we have scientific evidence of a nuclear weapons program. It is the suspicion that that is their aim. Have you been reading the news lately? UN, security council, ring a bell? Why do you think they so PISSED OFF at Iran? Because the west doesn't want them to have a nuclear power plant? BS.
Ever heard of the 12th imam? The Imam Muhammad al-Mahdī. This is what the Iranian clerics want to usher in. Hardly sounds peaceful.
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THE REAPPREANCE OF THE 12TH IMAM
Twelver Shi'as cite various references from the Qur'an and reports, or Hadith, from Muhammad and the twelve Shi'a Imams with regard to the reappearance of Muhammad al-Mahdi who would, in accordance with God's command, bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world.
* Muhammad is reported to have said:
"During the last times, my people will be afflicted with terrible and unprecedented calamities and misfortunes from their rulers, so much so that this vast earth will appear small to them. Persecution and injustice will engulf the earth. The believers will find no shelter to seek refuge from these tortures and injustices. At such a time, God will raise from my progeny a man who will establish peace and justice on this earth in the same way as it had been filled with injustice and distress."
Shi'as believe that when Muhammad al-Mahdi will reappear, Isa (Jesus) will also reappear and that he will pray behind the Mahdi. |
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| spiflicated |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
First, how is it apocalyptic? |
It's apocalyptic to the price of my gasoline. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I am sick of all these Iranian hating threads. They only make situation worse. I dont care much, but I know that if they bomb Iran, it will be a much tougher campaign than in Iraq. And diplomacy can be achieved if US and UK instead of continually pressuring, scrutinizing and criticizing Iran hoping it will bulge, themselves refuse to do anything to stretch their diplomatic hand to come to an agreement or a diplomatic peaceful solution to the problem. |
Iran isn't exactly doing anything to help themselves either, so let's not blame anyone for their own actions :rolleyes:
Especially when just about anything they do is condemned by all nations. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by ResonantDrag
it's still 3,000 more reasons than our last outing.
this is not good news for any side/perspective. i don't envy the job of the involved diplomats from our country and the rest of the world as well. so long as iran is developing a nuclear program, denouncing Israel and supporting the insurgency in iraq, they will have a hard time convincing anyone, even the most naive, that this is a peaceful program.
and the world knows that our military is stretched too thin, we can't use that as a threat (unless you believe that NATO can do anything without the US). now that i think about it, maybe a timelined withdrawal from iraq is a good idea after all. |
You could be right...:nervous:
actually, I'm pretty sure you're very right...that deserves two :nervous: :nervous: |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by spiflicated
It's apocalyptic to the price of my gasoline. |
LMAO
Face it folks. A nuke is the ultimate equalizer. I sense Iran going for a major power play here, developing itself as a major player.
I see 2 possibilities of Iran (esp. Ahjawhatever's rants)
1. Iran is really ruled by religious wackos bent on bringing Islam to the globe whatever the cost. This means if they do have a nuke, more likely that they'll use it if they feel that it'll help to bring Dar-es Islam all too soon. (incl. destruction of Israel esp)
2. Iran sees a chance to project power in middle east, and control oil supply to be a major player in world. I dunno how long they've been planning this nuke program, but it just happens to coincide with Iraq being a pit and Iran being able to influence Iraqi Shias, as the only nation with Shia majority. With Iran and Iraq's oil, Iran can be a major power on the globe, enabling to exert helluva a lot of influence.
Having a nuke deters anyone, esp. Western nations who cannot afford to get nuke or be lynched by the public, from Iran stopping Iran from controlling Iraq.
It's so much easier dealing with North Korea cuz at least Kim Jong Il doesn't have an unstable religious mindset. But with Iran... You never know. |
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| Magnetonium |
If it helps to diffuse the situation a bit, I would like to add that I am firmly against the spread and use of nuclear weapons. I say we get rid of these weapons before they destroy us all. They are pointless in this day and age, and are actually a liability. So in this sense, I am against Iranian developing nuclear weapons. They should co-operate, but are rightfully allowed to use nuclear energy.
Though it seems very fishy that Iran wants nuclear weapons, maybe its just me but I havent seen them getting anywhere near it so far. But on the other hand, Israel and Pakistan and India have been quietly allowed to build and maintain their nuclear weapons. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
But on the other hand, Israel and Pakistan and India have been quietly allowed to build and maintain their nuclear weapons. |
They didn't spouting off crazy talks laced with religion. (Well, Pakis and Indians did rattle sabers, but they know that MAD is not a pretty thing) |
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