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Iran's uranium enrichment now at "industrial scale" (pg. 4)
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I already told you that the problem isn't that we have scientific evidence of a nuclear weapons program. It is the suspicion that that is their aim. Have you been reading the news lately? UN, security council, ring a bell? Why do you think they so PISSED OFF at Iran? Because the west doesn't want them to have a nuclear power plant? BS.
Ever heard of the 12th imam? The Imam Muhammad al-Mahdī. This is what the Iranian clerics want to usher in. Hardly sounds peaceful.
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So what? Just because a bunch of Shia's believe in their 12th Imam means the end of the world? How is Iran acquiring NUKES going to usher the Imam? How is that even related to begin with?? Oh and please refrain from using wikipedia as source for your research/articles regarding Islam.
www.al-shia.com might be a better site don't you think? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
and yet Iran is facing the same situation,but they are not allowd to have any for protection?? in double standards.:o |
Is that what they're calling it? lol! :wtf:
If they had those things and we looked at them wrong, out comes a nuclear fatwa...
..that's just great...:rolleyes: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Israel isn't threatening to wipe out other countries. Israel isn't kidnapping foreign soldiers. Israel isn't supporting terrorist organizations. Iran doesn't have to do these things, yet they do. That is their own damn fault. |
you are truly on crack.
Israel has invaded more countries then Iran ever has,Israel has IDF which is far worst then any terrorists organization out there.
Israel may not have said that they would wipe out another country but instead they almost took Lebenon off the face of this earth last year.But I guess thats alright with you right?:rolleyes: |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
So what? Just because a bunch of Shia's believe in their 12th Imam means the end of the world? How is Iran acquiring NUKES going to usher the Imam? How is that even related to begin with?? Oh and please refrain from using wikipedia as source for your research/articles regarding Islam.
www.al-shia.com might be a better site don't you think? |
1. Did I say it was the end of the world? No
2. Nukes give Iran the leverage to push their view of Islam, which is Islam worldwide.
3. Are you saying ideology has nothing to do with the situation? The freaking whole crisis is about their ideology. Because of it, the WORLD simply does not trust Iran with these weapons. Not even Arab countries.
4. I'll keep the wikipedia thing in mind, but is that the only counter-arguement you have?
| quote: | you are truly on crack.
Israel has invaded more countries then Iran ever has,Israel has IDF which is far worst then any terrorists organization out there.
Israel may not have said that they would wipe out another country but instead they almost took Lebenon off the face of this earth last year.But I guess thats alright with you right? |
Did you forget WHY Israel went into Lebanon? Maybe you should thank your friend Hezbollah for firing rockets and kidnapping soldiers. What kind of country wouldn't respond to an act of war? I don't disagree that Israel overreacted, but why are they blamed for a fiasco started by Hezbollah's actions. Your anger should be towards them. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
1. Did I say it was the end of the world? No
2. Nukes give Iran the leverage to push their view of Islam, which is Islam worldwide.
3. Are you saying ideology has nothing to do with the situation? The freaking whole crisis is about their ideology. Because of it, the WORLD simply does not trust Iran with these weapons. Not even Arab countries.
4. I'll keep the wikipedia thing in mind, but is that the only counter-arguement you have?
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1. Look up apocalyptic in the dictionary, last i check it refers to the end of time as we know it.
2. Nukes also give the US the leverage to push westernized capitalistic democracy (worldwide).
3.Valid point. Ideology is what is keeping people from solving this situation. It's all vanity in the end, to push one consensus over the other. It's bad why have given up pragmatism and forgotten what is truly important, to avoid the loss of life. |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
1. Did I say it was the end of the world? No
2. Nukes give Iran the leverage to push their view of Islam, which is Islam worldwide.
3. Are you saying ideology has nothing to do with the situation? The freaking whole crisis is about their ideology. Because of it, the WORLD simply does not trust Iran with these weapons. Not even Arab countries.
4. I'll keep the wikipedia thing in mind, but is that the only counter-arguement you have? |
1. Yes, I think you pretty much explained what you were trying get across. Pay attention.
2. Nukes give Iran leverage... YES, I agree but here's the thing : They are NOT pushing and enforcing THEIR view of Islam... the only REASON they are pursuing nukes (if any) is Israel. You are simply taking Israel outta the mixture and bringing Islam as a whole religion and ideaology.
3. Yes i just stated that Islam as a religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with whatever that is going on in the middle east and the world. The "ISLAM" you guys see is something these idiots came up with to brainwash you into thinking EXACTLY what you are thinking right now.
4. See the reason most people fear Islam is simply because they don't know about it and they don't understand it. The fact that you went to Wiki, is enough proof for the amount of "research" some people here are willing to do. Just because you think a horse is a donkey, doesn't really mean it's a donkey. Going over to Google and reading a couple of articles by the people who understand Islam the least isn't the kinda research thats makes any sense to me. Islam is not about killing people, it's not about violence. Matter fact Islam is a way of life that preaches and peace and selflessness.So reading an article here and there isn't help u understand Islam... It takes a certain thought process that you have to develop over a number of years to ACTUALLY understand Islam. Hence the widespread ignorant misconceptions.
The reason you hear about Islam getting dragged into all of this is because you simply don't understand how Muslims in that part of the world live. Just because a mullah says "Inshallah" which actually means "God willing" doesn't mean he's going to blow up.
See, look at it this way... If money and power was your agenda and you wanted it so that people would somehow remember you as a hero, how would you turn people to your side? You would use your media and exploit it to instill fear of the unknown in people... and unknown being here is Islam. It's almost so easy because the United States is already alienated for the rest of the world... it almost provides the perfect breeding ground for something like that. |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
See, look at it this way... If money and power was your agenda and you wanted it so that people would somehow remember you as a hero, how would you turn people to your side? You would use your media and exploit it to instill fear of the unknown in people... and unknown being here is Islam. It's almost so easy because the United States is already alienated for the rest of the world... it almost provides the perfect breeding ground for something like that. |
You guys are such idiots. The difference between western media and the media in countries like Iran is so obvious. We in the west have free media, objective media. It's not dictated by the White House. When something runs afoul in the West the media will evantually find out about you even if people in high places will try to cover it up.
In countries like Iran you can forget about that. The state manipulates the information fed to its media on a daily basis.
You guys all jump up and down whenever you pick up on something wrong occuring in the West. Unfortunately you're not exposed to even a tenth of the things that are wrong and go on everyday in extremist countries like Iran.
So the next time you're all spitting out crap like "I don't know which side to believe" keep that in mind. |
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| CHRles |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
The reason you hear about Islam getting dragged into all of this is because you simply don't understand how Muslims in that part of the world live. Just because a mullah says "Inshallah" which actually means "God willing" doesn't mean he's going to blow up.
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You conveniently forgot all those nice little "death to america" chants that are lead everyday by religious leaders in that part of the world.
But yeah, we in the West just don't understand the culture :rolleyes: |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
You guys are such idiots. The difference between western media and the media in countries like Iran is so obvious. We in the west have free media, objective media. It's not dictated by the White House. When something runs afoul in the West the media will evantually find out about you even if people in high places will try to cover it up.
In countries like Iran you can forget about that. The state manipulates the information fed to its media on a daily basis.
You guys all jump up and down whenever you pick up on something wrong occuring in the West. Unfortunately you're not exposed to even a tenth of the things that are wrong and go on everyday in extremist countries like Iran.
So the next time you're all spitting out crap like "I don't know which side to believe" keep that in mind. |
You are repeating what your government has repeated for over a 100 years.
Denial is the very first stage in the process of acceptance. Good ;) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
1. Yes, I think you pretty much explained what you were trying get across. Pay attention.
2. Nukes give Iran leverage... YES, I agree but here's the thing : They are NOT pushing and enforcing THEIR view of Islam... the only REASON they are pursuing nukes (if any) is Israel. You are simply taking Israel outta the mixture and bringing Islam as a whole religion and ideaology.
3. Yes i just stated that Islam as a religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with whatever that is going on in the middle east and the world. The "ISLAM" you guys see is something these idiots came up with to brainwash you into thinking EXACTLY what you are thinking right now.
4. See the reason most people fear Islam is simply because they don't know about it and they don't understand it. The fact that you went to Wiki, is enough proof for the amount of "research" some people here are willing to do. Just because you think a horse is a donkey, doesn't really mean it's a donkey. Going over to Google and reading a couple of articles by the people who understand Islam the least isn't the kinda research thats makes any sense to me. Islam is not about killing people, it's not about violence. Matter fact Islam is a way of life that preaches and peace and selflessness.So reading an article here and there isn't help u understand Islam... It takes a certain thought process that you have to develop over a number of years to ACTUALLY understand Islam. Hence the widespread ignorant misconceptions.
See, look at it this way... If money and power was your agenda and you wanted it so that people would somehow remember you as a hero, how would you turn people to your side? You would use your media and exploit it to instill fear of the unknown in people... and unknown being here is Islam. It's almost so easy because the United States is already alienated for the rest of the world... it almost provides the perfect breeding ground for something like that. |
2. The West's so-called war mongering has in reality been all reactions. Reactions to Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah, etc. We are not going to shoot rockets into Iran, or to suicide bomb their buses. Israel is trying to protect her citizens. Israel attacked in RESPONSE to an act of war. The argument that Iran needs nuclear weapons to defend itself is a total farce. Their government has turned their people's attention from their gross failures in domestic affairs, and have blamed it all on the west and Israel. In their current state of affairs, they can't even afford a nuclear power plant. They care more about this nuclear program than their own people.
3. So I'm brainwashed... Are the extremists not?
4. You think this is the first time I've ever researched Islam? I've been studying it for years. I even have a big green quran sitting in my room. Looking something up on wikipedia does not detract from any of my arguments, though I'll refrain from using it as a source. It's just so convenient!!
The American media is free to report what they want, even protect their sources. Who is using the media to instill a fear of Islam? Islamists are the ones declaring war against us. |
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