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Iran's uranium enrichment now at "industrial scale" (pg. 3)
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Hadn't heard about the offer by other countries. I do believe that this situation with Iran could've been sidestepped since the beginning if other more powerful countries understood that you can't start a negotiation by trying to have someone bend over. It's sad how stupid both sides in this situation have and can be. |
Sorry for the weird-ish source, it was the first I found.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2...ent_4197711.htm
Basically, Russia would supply the bulk of the nuclear fuel, with Iran retaining the ability to enrich uranium at a small-scale level, instead of the large scale (3,000 centrifuges) which they're doing now. Of course they'd also have to agree to inspections and voluntarily curtailing their own "nuclear destiny." |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
They didn't spouting off crazy talks laced with religion. (Well, Pakis and Indians did rattle sabers, but they know that MAD is not a pretty thing) |
If one day some crazy insane fundamentalists take control of Pakistan, I dont think they would care and just send in nukes at Israel. After all, if Israel and USA retaliates, they would be able to rally support and fight a holy war! And a chain reaction might develop. You are assuming that well-groomed, intellectuals, educated people always control the governments. Once in a while, specially in coups, insane leaders can come to power. Or how dangerous is it if some radicals get a hold of one or few of these weapons and uses them against a large civilian area? Some people dont care about their own lives, you know. Some people wouldn't care if they strapped a nuclear device on their car and detonated a nuclear bomb in downtown of lets say Tel Aviv. |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I'm certainly not trying to be anti-Iranian, if that was how my comment was interpreted. I'm simply anti-nuclear, at least when the potential of weapons is there.
It's simply the law of averages; more nuclear weapons available, even if that just means more materials for nuclear weapons available, the higher the chance of someone actually using them. So far we've been limited to two nuclear detonations being used in war-time in the past 50-60 years, and compared to the potential of nuclear weapons today, they were tiny. Call me pesimistic, but the more the ability to use them spreads, the higher the chance of them being used again. And I'm sorry if this sounds anti-Iran, but nuclear weapons in an unstable environment and region increase the risk even further.
Before people jump on the "Iran has a right to nuclear energy" bandwagon, that's fine, but you also have to take into account offers from other countries to supply fuel rods that could not be used for weapons. Iran rejected that and they rejected inspections they agreed to in the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, which doesn't ease many minds, especially mine. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Iran isn't exactly doing anything to help themselves either, so let's not blame anyone for their own actions :rolleyes:
Especially when just about anything they do is condemned by all nations. |
Where are the Israeli Nukes from ur heads???????? |
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| Krypton |
| Israel is surrounded by enemies and is by far the most hated country in the world. |
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| NeoPhono |
Yup, you're right. One country in the Middle East having nukes is bad, let's give it to another. Two countries in the Middle East with nukes, both with varying degrees of hatred toward each other, instability and fanaticism must surely be better. Hell, let's just give nukes to everyone. If Israel has em' everyone should!
Is that the argument I'm hearing? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Israel is surrounded by enemies and is by far the most hated country in the world. |
and yet Iran is facing the same situation,but they are not allowd to have any for protection?? in double standards.:o |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
and yet Iran is facing the same situation,but they are not allowd to have any for protection?? in double standards.:o |
Israel isn't threatening to wipe out other countries. Israel isn't kidnapping foreign soldiers. Israel isn't supporting terrorist organizations. Iran doesn't have to do these things, yet they do. That is their own damn fault. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Israel isn't threatening to wipe out other countries. Israel isn't kidnapping foreign soldiers. Israel isn't supporting terrorist organizations. Iran doesn't have to do these things, yet they do. That is their own damn fault. |
Israel doesn't need to use a nuke to do whatever it wants. It's busy enough with Palestine and you don't need a nuke for that.
Plus Uncle Sam might be annoyed if Israel start mouthing off about nukes.
Personally, I think that's one reason why the Arabs aren't doing much sabre rattling. Getting nuked is no fun for sane Muslims. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
and yet Iran is facing the same situation,but they are not allowd to have any for protection?? in double standards.:o |
It's not for protection when you throw the nuke first, eh?
Well, the world is more twitchy about Iran having a nuke with all its blattering.
I'm pretty sure that the world's occupied enough with Iraq and Afghanistan that if Iran didn't open its mouth, it could have quietly got a nuke. Drawing attention to yourself before you have the nuke is not a smart thing, unless Iran is doing something like North Korea is doing. (exchange for economic benefits, but Iran doesn't need that) |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
If one day some crazy insane fundamentalists take control of Pakistan, I dont think they would care and just send in nukes at Israel. After all, if Israel and USA retaliates, they would be able to rally support and fight a holy war! And a chain reaction might develop. You are assuming that well-groomed, intellectuals, educated people always control the governments. Once in a while, specially in coups, insane leaders can come to power. Or how dangerous is it if some radicals get a hold of one or few of these weapons and uses them against a large civilian area? Some people dont care about their own lives, you know. Some people wouldn't care if they strapped a nuclear device on their car and detonated a nuclear bomb in downtown of lets say Tel Aviv. |
I think if radical Pakis got the nuke, they'd use it against India first. IMO more hate towards that direction.
I've heard a lecture about how there are many mid level military officers sympathetic to Taliban and how they might have been able to get one of Paki's nukes... I guess it's still possible.
With reports of rise in extremist Islam in Pakistan (albeit they seem minor right now) and Musharrif's precarious hold on power, Pakistan may be the next Iran. Though I doubt the moderates will tolerate that, considering not all Pakis are stupid. (Just most of them from north west provinces I guess)
If a nuke is fired off, I don't think it'll be a suicide bomber... Smuggling a nuke doesn't sound like it's easy as it is, and Israelis are more paranoid than most. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Israel doesn't need to use a nuke to do whatever it wants. It's busy enough with Palestine and you don't need a nuke for that.
Plus Uncle Sam might be annoyed if Israel start mouthing off about nukes.
Personally, I think that's one reason why the Arabs aren't doing much sabre rattling. Getting nuked is no fun for sane Muslims. |
Neither do any of the other countries with nukes in the world, what's ur freakin point? Uncle Sam doesn't dictate Israeli nuclear secrets, so I have no clue what you meant by that. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Neither do any of the other countries with nukes in the world, what's ur freakin point? Uncle Sam doesn't dictate Israeli nuclear secrets, so I have no clue what you meant by that. |
US doesn't control Israeli nukes, but US does have some influence on Israeli policies.
Pissing off Uncle Sam means Israel is more vulnerable. not to mention loss of aid and tech transfer. |
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