Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Israel has invaded more countries then Iran ever has,Israel has IDF which is far worst then any terrorists organization out there.
Israel may not have said that they would wipe out another country but instead they almost took Lebenon off the face of this earth last year.But I guess thats alright with you right?:rolleyes:
Don't make me break out the historical list of wars in the middle east again. If an Arab country attacks Israel and then gets their ass handed to them and Israel ends up invading their country as part of their counter-attack that does not count as Israel invading their country. That's like if you walked up to me and hit me in the face and then I kick the living out of you and you stand there and say "that violent bastard, I don't know why he beat my ass so badly"
And if Hezbollah was not launching rockets from major civilian population centers like cowards they would have not had to attack them there.
digitul punk
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Don't make me break out the historical list of wars in the middle east again. If an Arab country attacks Israel and then gets their ass handed to them and Israel ends up invading their country as part of their counter-attack that does not count as Israel invading their country. That's like if you walked up to me and hit me in the face and then I kick the living out of you and you stand there and say "that violent bastard, I don't know why he beat my ass so badly"
And if Hezbollah was not launching rockets from major civilian population centers like cowards they would have not had to attack them there.
I guess that explains the logic of using Armies to take out a rogue group and killing 1000s of civilians in the process and calling it "Casualties of war".
XaNaX
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Originally posted by digitul punk
I guess that explains the logic of using Armies to take out a rogue group and killing 1000s of civilians in the process and calling it "Casualties of war".
Say terrorists are firing rockets at your city regularly. Some members of your family have been killed. The terrorists hide like cowards among civilians in their own country. Should your government allow them to fire rockets at you forever whenever they want or should they attempt to destroy the terrorists who are attacking you.
Its the terrorists that are hiding among civilians and launching attacks from civilian areas. They are the ones to blame here.
M.Johan
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Don't make me break out the historical list of wars in the middle east again. If an Arab country attacks Israel and then gets their ass handed to them and Israel ends up invading their country as part of their counter-attack that does not count as Israel invading their country. That's like if you walked up to me and hit me in the face and then I kick the living out of you and you stand there and say "that violent bastard, I don't know why he beat my ass so badly"
And if Hezbollah was not launching rockets from major civilian population centers like cowards they would have not had to attack them there.
Originally posted by Krypton
2. The West's so-called war mongering has in reality been all reactions. Reactions to Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah, etc. We are not going to shoot rockets into Iran, or to suicide bomb their buses. Israel is trying to protect her citizens. Israel attacked in RESPONSE to an act of war. The argument that Iran needs nuclear weapons to defend itself is a total farce. Their government has turned their people's attention from their gross failures in domestic affairs, and have blamed it all on the west and Israel. In their current state of affairs, they can't even afford a nuclear power plant. They care more about this nuclear program than their own people.
3. So I'm brainwashed... Are the extremists not?
4. You think this is the first time I've ever researched Islam? I've been studying it for years. I even have a big green quran sitting in my room. Looking something up on wikipedia does not detract from any of my arguments, though I'll refrain from using it as a source. It's just so convenient!!
The American media is free to report what they want, even protect their sources. Who is using the media to instill a fear of Islam? Islamists are the ones declaring war against us.
So u know that any extremist ideology is away from any of divine religiones.
The American media is free to report what they want, even protect their sources. Who is using the media to instill a fear of Islam? Islamists are the ones declaring war against us.
A war the West started by placing Israel (a jewish state of occupation)in Arab land. That's why all of the current state leads upto one main problem/cause.
I'm not siding with extremists either... They are using their version of Islam to justify their war... but then again they do have a valid cause at least.
digitul punk
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Say terrorists are firing rockets at your city regularly. Some members of your family have been killed. The terrorists hide like cowards among civilians in their own country. Should your government allow them to fire rockets at you forever whenever they want or should they attempt to destroy the terrorists who are attacking you.
Its the terrorists that are hiding among civilians and launching attacks from civilian areas. They are the ones to blame here.
So that's it? You ignore whatever has been written in pages and pages worth of arguments and viewpoints only to blame a group of people fighting for a cause?
venomX
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Originally posted by CHRles
You guys are such idiots. The difference between western media and the media in countries like Iran is so obvious. We in the west have free media, objective media. It's not dictated by the White House. When something runs afoul in the West the media will evantually find out about you even if people in high places will try to cover it up.
In countries like Iran you can forget about that. The state manipulates the information fed to its media on a daily basis.
You guys all jump up and down whenever you pick up on something wrong occuring in the West. Unfortunately you're not exposed to even a tenth of the things that are wrong and go on everyday in extremist countries like Iran.
So the next time you're all spitting out crap like "I don't know which side to believe" keep that in mind.
Haha, oh my, you're quite hilarious. Western media is objective and without bias. They do not have talking points from the white house. What western media do you subscribe to sir? I thought it was well establish that none of the points you are raising are valid. Think Faux news.
venomX
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Originally posted by XaNaX
Say terrorists are firing rockets at your city regularly. Some members of your family have been killed. The terrorists hide like cowards among civilians in their own country. Should your government allow them to fire rockets at you forever whenever they want or should they attempt to destroy the terrorists who are attacking you.
Its the terrorists that are hiding among civilians and launching attacks from civilian areas. They are the ones to blame here.
Good oversimplification mate, now it all makes sense! Not like there are any other political situations that mediate these attacks. Not like Israel did anything that might have triggered this attacks. They are just that, isolated, non-sensical, non-purposeful acts of aggression comitted by power hungry sadistic arabs against the all good, western, innocent Israelis. Why didn't I think about it this way, it would have been so much easier to understand!
CHRles
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Originally posted by venomX
Haha, oh my, you're quite hilarious. Western media is objective and without bias.
No, westerm media is objective, but it can have a bias. CNN leans left, Fox News leans right, but they'll both report the stories of the say. From superficial Anna Nicole crap to the catastrophe in Iraq.
venomX
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Originally posted by CHRles
No, westerm media is objective, but it can have a bias. CNN leans left, Fox News leans right, but they'll both report the stories of the say. From superficial Anna Nicole crap to the catastrophe in Iraq.
I would have at least expected a concession on the non-objectiveness of faux news, but I guess you are that blinded.
The first is by an author named Jürgen Elsässer. He is quite the theorist. He talks about a secret CIA plot behind the Islamist movement. I ask, is the USA behind the bombings its own embassies in Kenya, Tanzania, or Lebanon? Is the USA behind the Arab wars with Israel, which were all provoked by the Arabs. Mr. Jürgen Elsässer fails to answer these questions.
He also makes the notion that the USA concocts wars to drive up the price of oil and spur its military industry. Has he forgotten that the USA imports more oil than it exports? How can we benefit from higher oil prices if we don't have the major oil?
Secondly, blogs are not the best sources to be basing your opinions off of. If you scroll down further, different users have made the mention that blogs are not make news. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the USA supports al-queda or Jundullah. You really want to know about the Jundullah? Here's a REAL article...
Originally posted by Krypton
Thanks for the obscurity of those two sources.
The first is by an author named Jürgen Elsässer. He is quite the theorist. He talks about a secret CIA plot behind the Islamist movement. I ask, is the USA behind the bombings its own embassies in Kenya, Tanzania, or Lebanon? Is the USA behind the Arab wars with Israel, which were all provoked by the Arabs. Mr. Jürgen Elsässer fails to answer these questions.
War on Lebanone had been planned before soldiers kidnap
He also makes the notion that the USA concocts wars to drive up the price of oil and spur its military industry. Has he forgotten that the USA imports more oil than it exports? How can we benefit from higher oil prices if we don't have the major oil?
Secondly, blogs are not the best sources to be basing your opinions off of. If you scroll down further, different users have made the mention that blogs are not make news. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the USA supports al-queda or Jundullah. You really want to know about the Jundullah? Here's a REAL article...
Edit from the moderator: M.Johan, I know how passionate you are about this whole thing, but please no graphic images - that includes people dying, people being injured, people bleeding in general, people's death, and all that. This is the 2nd time I need to tell you this already =/
Not like there are any other political situations that mediate these attacks. Not like Israel did anything that might have triggered this attacks. They are just that, isolated, non-sensical, non-purposeful acts of aggression comitted by power hungry sadistic arabs against the all good, western, innocent Israelis. Why didn't I think about it this way, it would have been so much easier to understand!