Originally posted by steven-neil
FFS...My daughter was there,,I had to set a good example..It was no worse than Brian Toia making a bong out of my smoke machine....
a good example? sasha was rolling her face off!
BiG MiKE
Mike, check this out:
:eyespop: :eyespop:
Blake
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Originally posted by me&myself
Words "trance is dead", as I can see, can be heard all over the world)
"old-school" guys, saying smth like "nowdays is not the same"))
so what is it?
just the fact, that smth new is always exciting and interesting at first or maybe trance IS dead?
trance is actually undead, and it feeds upon the living to survive.
i think what determines the death of a music genre would be that
A. almost no one listens to it anymore and
B. almost no one produces tracks for the genre anymore
As far as I know, plenty of people still listen to it and produce tracks. Moreover, the genre is continuing to evolve and change. When it stops evolving, that's when we know it's just about dead. Swing Jazz would be an example of a genrea that's pretty much dead.
You can't expect a genre to be around for a few decades and not change. When people say 'trance is dead', that's what we call 'longing for the past' lol. I think what people really mean is that they simply don't like what trance has become. Sure I miss Robert Mile's old tracks etc, but that era can't be around forever right? Take hip hop for instance. Just because hip hop is different than it was 10 years ago doesn't mean.. oh wait, bad example :p
nefardec
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trance is "Juvenile Music" and not "Intelligent Music" like House Music Is.
Your thoughts please.
a lot of commercial trance is characterized by a few things:
-hard, bouncy 4/4 kick
-obvious chord progression
-very recognizable sing-along melodies
-recognizable sing-along emo vocals
-big epic emo breadowns with obvious builds
-standardized production techniques and sounds
-every single frequency in the spectrum accounted for (overproduced)
-no funk or soul
what do all these things have in common? they are all very easily understood - this is why 12 year olds get into trance and happy hardcore. how hard is it to bounce around like a maniac to a fast, big 4/4 beat?
another thing - the style is called juvenile because of the predictabilty and frequency of the various parts of tracks. essentially you have an awkward 1-2 minutes where two tracks are mixing. because of the sonic nature your ears can often easily separate the two tracks. some deejays like tiesto even claim to make this more obvious on purpose to excite the crowd. then you have a breakdown with a slight buildup. then you have a 'buttrock' section, then a huge breakdown and buildup with an anthem introduced, then a buttrock with the anthem, then another awkward 1-2 minutes, and so on. the pattern is so obvious a 12 year old could understand it. each time the different tracks have a different anthem, but they're all essentially the same to me. this stop-and-go style of deejaying ruins my night. you can't even dance because every 4 minutes everything stops, the deejay does a jesus pose, and then people in the crowd pretend to be "feeling in a state of trance" and they sway awkwardly. i've tried to get into it, but i'm so cynical and loathe it so much that i stand there and just watch the crowd in disbelief. i am sure most people do it because it gives them some sense of belonging or spirituality that they have otherwise abandonded in their juvenile quest to be an 'individual'.
(cue monty python's life of brian. brian: "you are all inviduals!" crowd: "we are all individuals!")
note that i'm not just ripping on trance. you have david guetta, bob sinclair, freemasons, shapeshifters in house, and then of course cookie cutter minimal tech house and techno.
bottom line is trance is considered juvenile because it requires so little exposure or experience to understand it. it requires no skill or sense of rhythm in dancing, as the kick drum literally moves your body for you. that's why it's considered the gateway dance music. even though i was listening to tangerine dream and what not since i was young, trance was the first dance music i was introduced to.
maybe a better way to frame the topic is by looking at it in the context of western society:
trance is the 'nurturing mother', it nags you and tells you exactly what to do at every moment. people swoon over the deejays and hold up 'in trance we trust' posters
as we all know about basic sociology, the mother is the most important figure in early development.
other forms of dance music are more like the 'demanding father'. they don't exist for you to understand, you must dig deeper and to understand them, you must listen to them and feel them to dance to them. the deejay isn't going to tell you when to do what, you have to learn by yourself
another metaphor
commercial trance:
not commercial trance:
yankeeBaby
Big Mike: ferry is always the exception in trance. He will never die in this scene ;)
wotyzoid
....the abssence of trance is dead threads was too good to be true.
my 2 cents : trance is simply going through a delicate phase where too much stuff is being released and too little of good stuff is being release. In return we get the mctrancian holocaust.
steven-neil
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Originally posted by yankeeBaby
Big Mike: ferry is always the exception in trance. He will never die in this scene ;)
Agreed..Ferry is in a class of his own..He doesn't conform to the typical trance formula...
Frequency Mike
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Originally posted by massivenyc
you guys need to stop commenting on the global state of trance based on the US or just NYC, trance is far from dead, just ask the 30 thousand people in this video.
but that track is from like 2001... lol
massivenyc
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Originally posted by Frequency Mike
but that track is from like 2001... lol
the event was 2 weeks ago. im sure tracks were played from a variety of yeras.
steven-neil
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Originally posted by vtec junkie
What does a video from Dance Valley have anything to do with this subject?.....that place would be ram packed if Steven Grover was the DJ
Cheers Brian,,you're a true fan...Thankyou...
aralemomdadok
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Originally posted by BitchBoyNYC
The biggest arguement I get about Trance is that it is "Juvenile Music" and not "Intelligent Music" like House Music Is.
I guess I am a bit late in the discussion here.
I don't see Trance as any more juvenile than House is, if there is such a thing. A lot of my friends who are new to EDM actually start getting into the scene because of some poorly made house tracks that get airtime on the radio.
A psychologist once told me that the bpm of Trance music matches up with the brain wave in a synergistic way, which would mean that somehow, Trance would synchronize your activity. Other music may require your brain to process the input before letting you enjoy the music. Using a drug analogy, trance would be snorting or shooting up an IV, and other music would be taken orally.
To answer the question, we must define what intelligent music is. If intelligent music means that your brain has to go through of some kind of digestion phase, then the most intelligent music would be the early 20th century classical music-- mostly random sound with wacky chords that just don't sound right. Human brain tends to look for patterns in whatever they're seeing, and Trance provides exactly just that-- It is almost like a smart bomb that just gets you all crazy.
As for production wise, I actually like the newer stuff now. I like the darker, groovier sound that comes out of late (04/05/06). When I was younger, I like the stuff with a brighter sound. Maybe I got mellowed out a bit as I grow older.
I hope I don't get flamed...
vtec junkie
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Originally posted by nefardec
a lot of commercial trance is characterized by a few things:
-hard, bouncy 4/4 kick
-obvious chord progression
-very recognizable sing-along melodies
-recognizable sing-along emo vocals
-big epic emo breadowns with obvious builds
-standardized production techniques and sounds
-every single frequency in the spectrum accounted for (overproduced)
-no funk or soul
THANK YOU!!! Finally somebody on these boards that can break it down the technical/mathematical way. I don't know enough about music and producing to explain it this way but this is exactly how I feel about it. With every single frequency in the spectrum accounted for and the same old 4/4 kick....there are only so many options when it comes to producing trance.....which is why everything sounds the same. Producers have simply ran out of options. There are very few trance producers these days that are talented enough to break this trend and come up with something more cutting edge.
