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Is trance dead? (pg. 7)
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| Addictive Global |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frequency Mike
trance is def more symphonic, and the guys who produce it need and have a full understanding of music theory..
I like the older stuff better.. which is why im pumped we have the thrillseekers coming in on August 17th at love... steve is from that eara that we all talk about |
Nice, Steve Helstrip he's the man! Should be a great turn out!! |
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| CoreEventsNYC |
| quote: | Originally posted by steven-neil
I'm speaking with 20 years of experience behind me and partying in at least twenty different countries...If you read back through your own thread you can see that..
BTW...your the one that is asking is trance dead ????....Here's the answer...IT NEVER ING LIVED... |
why so hostile steven lol |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by CoreEventsNYC
why so hostile steven lol |
...I aint hostile...My lack of vocabulary forces me to use the word more often than most people...and i refuse to use emoticons ....Hows that....
BTW..Frank and Mike confused the hell out of me by using too many big words and too many short ones that I never heard of..... |
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| southbound24 |
| Trance is alive and well, so is all edm. |
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| BitchBoyNYC |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
a lot of commercial trance is characterized by a few things:
-hard, bouncy 4/4 kick
-obvious chord progression
-very recognizable sing-along melodies
-recognizable sing-along emo vocals
-big epic emo breadowns with obvious builds
-standardized production techniques and sounds
-every single frequency in the spectrum accounted for (overproduced)
-no funk or soul
what do all these things have in common? they are all very easily understood - this is why 12 year olds get into trance and happy hardcore. how hard is it to bounce around like a maniac to a fast, big 4/4 beat?
another thing - the style is called juvenile because of the predictabilty and frequency of the various parts of tracks. essentially you have an awkward 1-2 minutes where two tracks are mixing. because of the sonic nature your ears can often easily separate the two tracks. some deejays like tiesto even claim to make this more obvious on purpose to excite the crowd. then you have a breakdown with a slight buildup. then you have a 'buttrock' section, then a huge breakdown and buildup with an anthem introduced, then a buttrock with the anthem, then another awkward 1-2 minutes, and so on. the pattern is so obvious a 12 year old could understand it. each time the different tracks have a different anthem, but they're all essentially the same to me. this stop-and-go style of deejaying ruins my night. you can't even dance because every 4 minutes everything stops, the deejay does a jesus pose, and then people in the crowd pretend to be "feeling in a state of trance" and they sway awkwardly. i've tried to get into it, but i'm so cynical and loathe it so much that i stand there and just watch the crowd in disbelief. i am sure most people do it because it gives them some sense of belonging or spirituality that they have otherwise abandonded in their juvenile quest to be an 'individual'.
(cue monty python's life of brian. brian: "you are all inviduals!" crowd: "we are all individuals!")
note that i'm not just ripping on trance. you have david guetta, bob sinclair, freemasons, shapeshifters in house, and then of course cookie cutter minimal tech house and techno.
bottom line is trance is considered juvenile because it requires so little exposure or experience to understand it. it requires no skill or sense of rhythm in dancing, as the kick drum literally moves your body for you. that's why it's considered the gateway dance music. even though i was listening to tangerine dream and what not since i was young, trance was the first dance music i was introduced to.
maybe a better way to frame the topic is by looking at it in the context of western society:
trance is the 'nurturing mother', it nags you and tells you exactly what to do at every moment. people swoon over the deejays and hold up 'in trance we trust' posters
as we all know about basic sociology, the mother is the most important figure in early development.
other forms of dance music are more like the 'demanding father'. they don't exist for you to understand, you must dig deeper and to understand them, you must listen to them and feel them to dance to them. the deejay isn't going to tell you when to do what, you have to learn by yourself
another metaphor
commercial trance:
not commercial trance:
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Thanks for breaking it down that way man. I now have a better understanding of why it was given that title.
Now that you have broke down Trance, Would you kindly break down House and give us your opinion on why it is more "Intelligent" I only ask this of you because so really know what you are talking about. |
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| BitchBoyNYC |
| quote: | Originally posted by vtec junkie
THANK YOU!!! Finally somebody on these boards that can break it down the technical/mathematical way. I don't know enough about music and producing to explain it this way but this is exactly how I feel about it. With every single frequency in the spectrum accounted for and the same old 4/4 kick....there are only so many options when it comes to producing trance.....which is why everything sounds the same. Producers have simply ran out of options. There are very few trance producers these days that are talented enough to break this trend and come up with something more cutting edge. |
And when some of those "Trance Producers" get brave enough to venture in the unknown and experiment with new things, they get flamed beyond belief by some people for not "delivering the trance set that they expected" I Think it is AWESOME when DJ's incorporate other genre's of music into their "Trance Sets" |
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| Uncle ED |
Who cares if you listen to Rock, Opera, Jazz, Metal, House, Trance, etc..etc...what ever makes you feel good is what you should listen to.
I love trance, but also understand many music theorys and can go from Trance to classic Jazz to Rock and such.....and appreciate each type for what they are and what they can give.....
Its all good folks.........relax |
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| me&myself |
| quote: | Originally posted by steven-neil
I'm speaking with 20 years of experience behind me and partying in at least twenty different countries...If you read back through your own thread you can see that..
BTW...your the one that is asking is trance dead ????....Here's the answer...IT NEVER ING LIVED... |
I'm asking to have a discussion, in which I've succed, as you see.
Though you got a 20 years of experience, doesn't make you the absolute truth.
So many people, you know... :rolleyes: |
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| me&myself |
| quote: | Originally posted by Uncle ED
Who cares if you listen to Rock, Opera, Jazz, Metal, House, Trance, etc..etc...what ever makes you feel good is what you should listen to.
I love trance, but also understand many music theorys and can go from Trance to classic Jazz to Rock and such.....and appreciate each type for what they are and what they can give.....
Its all good folks.........relax |
+1 ;) |
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| massivenyc |
i cant wait to hear how dead trance is this wknd... Marco V, Matt Hardwick, Menno de Jong, Marcel Woods all in one night in one room.
im gonna be a miserable wall flower and im gonna piss and moan about how ty trance is and how their production sucks and the chord progression is predictable and how unintelligent the music and programming is... |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by massivenyc
im gonna piss and moan about how ty trance is and how their production sucks and the chord progression is predictable and how unintelligent the music and programming is... |
i dont blame you,,trance blows... |
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| Uncle ED |
Steven and Mike, you guys really make my day...lol...
Mike, just make sure the 4/4 beat is there.... |
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