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Do pro DJ's Standardize the BPM on there CD's?? (pg. 3)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
bad boy bill as well, it's easier to pull off what he does with beatlocked tunes
also, quick grammar lesson
there = location - i'm going over THERE
their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds?
they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there
if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye |
Good to see someone enforcing.
The internet is letting the English language go to . :p |
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| starboy |
| i was behind the booth last memorial day at tao in vegas watching morillo do his thing and he was beatmatching just like anyone else, VERY quickly and precise might i add.. superb with the filters too |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
have you tried mixing without even having pitch control on your turntables? |
Yes, that's how I learnt to mix in the first place :D
Some of them do it yeah and I'm not 100% sure where I stand on the issue... yeah it I was on the dancefloor and knew they weren't beatmatching live I might feel a little bit 'cheated' but at the same time, I'm a firm believer that we shouldn't let tradition hold us back... as that's all it is - traditionally DJs have HAD to beatmatch live, so now that the technology's there for them not to have to, why should we force them to make it harder for themselves?
Surely the crowd should just want it to sound as good as possible, rather than running the risking that it'll all go up and sound awful?
I personally quite enjoy the beatmatching bit, just adds an extra element - maybe I do just like making things harder for myself! |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
also, quick grammar lesson
there = location - i'm going over THERE
their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds?
they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there
if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye |
Haha the number of times I've wanted to say the same but I've restrained myself! |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Surely theres nothing wrong with noticing all your tunes are 139, 138, 141, 142 and standardising them to 140 when you burn to disc?
Using a pre recorded mix is another thing however. |
I've gotta say loads of the trance I play is 138 or 140 (with some at 139) - I've got them marked to .1 bpm so it's pretty accuarate, particularly as most people make tracks at round bpm tempos nowadays, so of course if I notice that two tracks are the same tempo I'll stick the deck straight to the same pitch as the other deck - does that count as cheating? It'd be ing daft not to take advantage of that!
I mean that's not the reason I have my tunes tempo marked - the main reason is harmonic mixing, but if it has an extra benefit then why the not make the most of it? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Hey Rann,
I used to feel the same way about Oakenfold until I opened up for him. Apparently he only plays one or two gigs a month now and has allegedly found a new lease of life. That night he totally blew the roof off the place. In comparison to a lack luster PvD a few weeks later who was like watching paint dry in comparison, come to think of it was like watching paint dry in comparison to anyone with a half decent idea of what a dance floor needs. PvD is the worlds most over rated DJ in my opinion, gets too much credit for not really doing anything in particular. Only really memorable track he's done is For An Angel and that's a little past it's sell by date me thinks...
Pete Hook on the other hand is like a bad smell who just wont seem to go away, he turns up in every freaking thread now he he.
Nem now quickly rushes to put his asbestos underpants on as he feels he may be inline for the flamethrower onslaught. :nervous:
With regards to original question. Yes... many DJs are doing it, but then we should really be more concerned with the output in terms of selection and flow and not too concerned about beat matching. Hmmm sounds similar to the Ableton arguement doesnt' it. F*ck it, if it sounds good, people happy, then it can't be wrong can it? As long as the DJ is actually mixing...
Cheers
Nem |
In fairness, I know what you mean about Oakey - I haven't seen him play in a couple of years but every time he did play he absolutely tore the place down. He played the 3am set at the first creamfields and have to admit it is probably one of the best performances I have ever seen. I saw him play briefly in Toronto and heard a transition without him "mix" a couple of times and it was all a bit lacklustre - just going through the motions. Don't think he was solely using a pre rec CD, but maybe three tracks, then a proper mix etc. - Max Graham was the warm up and put a lot more effort in. Oakey has found a new lease on life (music for film etc.) but his forays back in to dance music (Pirates!) have been plain awful - and he knows it. But then again if anyone has the right to just make money out out of dance music, I suppose he does.
I have now been disappointed by PVD on a couple of occasions - one was not all his fault (Heaven in London just let waaaaay too many people in so I left at 2am, less than an hour in to his set). It was quite sad to see a lot of people leaving at that time, and we were all discussing the same problem. The other issue which was also why both PVD gigs were a let down: his set was over programmed - he might as well have been playing a pre-rec. there was little to no crowd interaction and you could tell this was a pre-set selection that he was playing that month to every gig.
I know there is an argument to say well if it's a good night/music then who cares but I think if you're paying to see that person perform then they should. My feeling on the matter, is when someone puts in a performance to mix, something happens that is greater than the sum of the parts. As Roger Sanchez said (and don't really even like his stuff), "something happens when I mix in a club and no matter how hard
I try, I just can't recreate it in the studio, it's like becoming a conduit for the energy from the crowd". (not exact quote but very similar) |
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| Inertia |
i hate how people refer to beatmatching like it's a talent though.
"if you don't have it, don't fake it. just program the set right". while selection and programming are essential, my opinion is, if you can't beatmatch... well go practice your ass off until you can because people are paying you money to DJ. if bedroom kiddies can learn to match, a pro DJ should as well, i'd say. |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
i hate how people refer to beatmatching like it's a talent though.
"if you don't have it, don't fake it. just program the set right". while selection and programming are essential, my opinion is, if you can't beatmatch... well go practice your ass off until you can because people are paying you money to DJ. if bedroom kiddies can learn to match, a pro DJ should as well, i'd say. |
i completely agree...beatmatching is just such a basic technical skill it's nearly irrelevant. although i do feel that programming can heavily outweigh any beatmatching inacuracies. it's evident enough that you can play a set with perfect beatmatching and the opposite likewise. but it's definately not much to handle, a "pro" can certainly take a week off and get it down. |
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| Nemesis44 |
Beat matching isn't a forgone conclusion, there are many people who can't do it no matter how hard they try and most give up about 6 months after starting to be a DJ.
But I still agree that it is very far from being the be all and end all of being a DJ. Like Stu Cox, I actually enjoy doing it.
What I would say is this, and it depends on how you look at it really. Let's say there is a trick that you perform that requires very quick changes of track and indeed lightning quick matching there could be an arguement for having pre-matched tracks.
In the eyes of trainspotters though you may loose browny points compared to a guy who can do the samething on the fly, but your average clubber doesn't know what exactly you are doing.
When I play out I never ever play for the trainspotters otherwise you will find yourself being driven slowly mad. Many of them are technically probably better than me and can emulate the tricks of Zabiela and Halliwell to the letter, but the vast majority don't have the ability to take on board what they can copy and thus are only immitations. The ability to create comes from within. The ability to really rock the crowd comes from experience and instinct.
These skills far outweigh beat matching. But lets face it, us as DJs will usualy go insane if we hear a guy dropping all the beats all over the place. So how important is it. I know I hate hearing someone who can't beat match.
Anyways, I have rambled enough, not even sure what I was trying to say.
Cheers
Nem |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
When I play out I never ever play for the trainspotters otherwise you will find yourself being driven slowly mad. Many of them are technically probably better than me and can emulate the tricks of Zabiela and Halliwell to the letter, but the vast majority don't have the ability to take on board what they can copy and thus are only immitations. The ability to create comes from within. The ability to really rock the crowd comes from experience and instinct.
These skills far outweigh beat matching. But lets face it, us as DJs will usualy go insane if we hear a guy dropping all the beats all over the place. So how important is it. I know I hate hearing someone who can't beat match.
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One of the single best posts I've read on here in a while - I wish I had known/thought like this my first few times playing out at large clubs.
Absolutely invaluable advice for any of you aspiring to get out and play a bit more. |
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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Many of them are technically probably better than me and can emulate the tricks of Zabiela and Halliwell to the letter, but the vast majority don't have the ability to take on board what they can copy and thus are only immitations. The ability to create comes from within. The ability to really rock the crowd comes from experience and instinct.
These skills far outweigh beat matching. But lets face it, us as DJs will usualy go insane if we hear a guy dropping all the beats all over the place. So how important is it. I know I hate hearing someone who can't beat match.
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spot on once again nem
don't let them get to you, they're standing there wishing they could one day be in your shoes
as for the grammar subject, i've seen people with english as their second language who have a better grasp of it than people who've been speaking it their entire lives
i'm going to start the tony morello thread for kids who can't read good and want to learn other stuff too |
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