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Do pro DJ's Standardize the BPM on there CD's?? (pg. 9)
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| djsphere |
| it doesen't matter to me if they do so as long as the final product is good |
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| A.B |
| Best bpm counters are your ears. |
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| basilisk |
Yeah, as if you have an atomic clock in your noggin'.
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| A.B |
| quote: | Originally posted by basilisk
Yeah, as if you have an atomic clock in your noggin'.
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Do you think it is fallible for a DJ to use their ears to beatmatch accurately as opposed to relying on a computer programme or a bpm counter?
Heres some interesting facts basilisk - DJ's actually used their ears before this technology was widespread. Imagine that.
Wow eh?:rolleyes: |
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| echosystm |
| I dont care if you use a BPM counter. Do whatever makes you happy! It is probably a good way to learn anyway. I'm just saying no one would make a song at half BPM (in any EDM genre), unless theyre some kind of obsessive compulsive, but even then, OCD victims would usually prefer a whole number haha. :stongue: |
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| basilisk |
| I detect sarcasm! Are you some kind of human computer that can spit out BPM values after hearing snippets of a track? In my world, beatmatching means aligning tempo, while BPM counting means arriving at "134" or "148"... and that's what I'm talking about. I've never seen anyone who can gauge the numeric value of the BPM as accurately as a computer. |
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| starboy |
| Nothing wrong with embracing new technology, just don't rely on it.. if you must then rely on the pitch % on the cdj's not the bpm counters. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.B
Do you think it is fallible for a DJ to use their ears to beatmatch accurately as opposed to relying on a computer programme or a bpm counter?
Heres some interesting facts basilisk - DJ's actually used their ears before this technology was widespread. Imagine that.
Wow eh?:rolleyes: |
I doubt many rely solely on bpm counters to mix, I mean, it just wouldn't work. I sometimes use them to save time, because I know they actually are generally accurate on my 1000mk2, but I always correct as needed when the exceptions invariably arise. It helps you get a quick ballpark idea of what to pitch to, so that I can start making finer adjustments quicker.
Beatmatching has 2 different elements, getting the speeds right, and then making sure the tracks are matched and the elements are lining up precisely. The precision portion cannot rely on beat counters, theres nothing to indicate whether or not beats are correctly matched other than your ears. The same goes for catching drift, the bpm counter isn't going to tell you when tracks are drifting or which way, thats all something you have to hear. Saying "use your ears" is kind of a stupid point, because it is not an option when mixing, it's required. |
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| basilisk |
| Amplified sound? That's for suckers! I merely bang rocks together, just like the good ol' days. |
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| A.B |
| quote: | Originally posted by basilisk
I detect sarcasm! Are you some kind of human computer that can spit out BPM values after hearing snippets of a track? In my world, beatmatching means aligning tempo, while BPM counting means arriving at "134" or "148"... and that's what I'm talking about. I've never seen anyone who can gauge the numeric value of the BPM as accurately as a computer. |
But we have all seen in the past that computers can get it wrong as well (Have any of you seen 2001??? :crazy:
The point I was trying to make was that some people (imo) can be to pedantic when it comes to getting such an accurate bpm reading via the mixer, cdj or whatever.
I personally enjoy NOT having the groundwork done for me. I dont see any advantage from using a bpm counter.
You develop a nack for beatmatching over time and most DJ's I know (including myself) can have a bpm roughly matched in about 20 seconds which leaves plenty of time for small adjustments / tricks in the mix / fx /acapellas etc. |
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| DJ RANN |
I can see the benefit of it if you fancy yourself as Francois K, and are going to play a 9 hour "journey set" from progressive eurodub to nu-acidfolktronica.
I don't really get the point of putting BPMs on tracks if you're playing say a 2 hour set, as your BPM will mainly be the same for prog or trance, and as you can't rely on accurate BPM counters, you have to be able to beatmatch anyway. Also, if you know your tunes well enough to mix them, then wouldn't you have an understanding of the vague BPMs anyway? |
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