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Exorcism..............Is it real or fake ? (pg. 4)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by afterhrsgurl
that's a good point....i just thought of this documentary i seen once on exorcism and noticed all the videos used as examples of those posessed, were from third world countries in some small secluded communitites.The ppl in those communities are often very supersticious, they live their lives based on their religious fate, and obviously through the religious studies they have learned to believe in such things bc...they don't know any better...i'm sure there are many parts of the world where ppl's beliefs are such as before the scientific revolution |
FYI, there are exorcists from the RC church in all first world countries. A family friend of mine was unfortunate enough to observe two exorcisms in Canada and one in Bermuda (he's a priest and a professor of history... specializing in the history of midevil the church). I say "unfortunate" because those are his words... apparently they were very disturbing experiences. At any rate, I can assure you this happens all over the place. That said, most "possessions" are very quickly deemed by the church to not be possessions at all, in those cases they refer the parishoner to health care providers. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kamka
I have to point out that I myself hate satanism though, I only know it as the baaad cult where people sacrifice and torture children and babies and animals, and worship the 'Devil' as evil deity... and their other customs are weird and not likeable, like they dress in black and their churches are all dark and seem rather unpleasant from the inside (I've never been to one myself, I'm just talking 'bout what I saw on TV), so, naturally, I don't have a good view on it at all. |
I cannot hate any system of faith, that said, based on my understanding of satanism it is more a rejection of christianity then an actual religion. Their beliefs and practices are all in reaction to christian doctrine rather then on any theological interpretation. |
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| Provocative_boi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
FYI, there are exorcists from the RC church in all first world countries. A family friend of mine was unfortunate enough to observe two exorcisms in Canada and one in Bermuda (he's a priest and a professor of history... specializing in the history of midevil the church). I say "unfortunate" because those are his words... apparently they were very disturbing experiences. At any rate, I can assure you this happens all over the place. That said, most "possessions" are very quickly deemed by the church to not be possessions at all, in those cases they refer the parishoner to health care providers. |
Interesting post dood, |
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| MikeyN |
how does one get possessed by such demons?
I say Nigga please. |
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| afterhrsgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
FYI, there are exorcists from the RC church in all first world countries. A family friend of mine was unfortunate enough to observe two exorcisms in Canada and one in Bermuda (he's a priest and a professor of history... specializing in the history of midevil the church). I say "unfortunate" because those are his words... apparently they were very disturbing experiences. At any rate, I can assure you this happens all over the place. That said, most "possessions" are very quickly deemed by the church to not be possessions at all, in those cases they refer the parishoner to health care providers. |
i dunno...i rarely ever hear of such cases happening in first world countries but i believe what u said...i guess :D |
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| Provocative_boi |
| quote: | Originally posted by MikeyN
how does one get possessed by such demons?
I say Nigga please. |
Try this maybe this helps LOL
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by MikeyN
how does one get possessed by such demons?
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I don't think there can be any rational or logical explanation to that question.
Curious. What do people think about one of those crazy Protestant revival meetings when hundreds of people go nuts and supposedly get healed of sickness and be 'full of Holy Spirit' and whatnot? I guess I'm putting this in reverse perspective to demonic possession.
And keep in mind that these 'revival' events happen helluva a lot in Christian communities. (unless you think them all nuts and bereft of any logical thinking) |
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| MikeyN |
honestly, do these people just wake up one morning and say "i think im gonna be possessed by a demon today" ? how do these "demons" take control over someone like that is what i'm not quite grasping, and is why i dont believe it. if someone can explain the "how" to me, i'd appreciate that.
til then, here's a cat:
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by MikeyN
honestly, do these people just wake up one morning and say "i think im gonna be possessed by a demon today" ? how do these "demons" take control over someone like that is what i'm not quite grasping, and is why i dont believe it. if someone can explain the "how" to me, i'd appreciate that.
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lol
like I said, 'supernatural' events aren't exactly science and you can explain how it happens in any semblance of logical sequence
it isn't exactly conclusive proof, but if there is millions of normal people witnessing these events and think there might be something weird about all this, then surely this needs to be more examined.
discarding an evidence just because it won't 'fit' in scientific way of thinking isn't exactly good science |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
That said, most "possessions" are very quickly deemed by the church to not be possessions at all, in those cases they refer the parishoner to health care providers. |
I wonder why. Wouldn't it be in favour of The Church to demonstrate to the people that the Devil exists and can possess people, and that IT has the divine power to heal those who were possessed? A kind of "proof o concept"? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
it isn't exactly conclusive proof, but if there is millions of normal people witnessing these events and think there might be something weird about all this, then surely this needs to be more examined. |
There are a lot of reports of alien abductions too. Usually there's a big rash of them whenever a newspaper article is printed or a TV show about them airs. The psychology is pretty well-documented.
Surely you're aware of the groupthink phenomenon. A large number of believers is not even weak evidence, it's non-evidence. I'm not saying that we have all of the answers to every question in life; but there's absolutely zero evidence in favour of these occurrences having supernatural causes, as opposed to natural causes that simply aren't well-understood.
It's not enough to say, hey, you can't explain this in conventional psychiatric terms, so therefore it must be a demon. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it was a demon. Even if the "possessed" person is "cured" (and I'm not disputing that this really happens), that only proves that the person genuinely believed he was possessed, not that he actually was.
If the point being made here is "the system works, whether it's real or not, therefore I'm OK with it", then I guess I can't argue with that. However, that's not the question that we were asked. We were asked if we think that it's real, i.e. are these people truly possessed by demons. |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Moral Hazard (he's a priest and a professor of history... specializing in the history of midevil the church) |
ehm... was that typo done on purpose or is it just an accident? :D |
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