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"Trance isn't just music to me it's my life" (pg. 6)
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
That's why it's important to build a set with various other genres/sub-genres of music. A non-predictable trance set can be created maybe starting with ambient or minimal, then deep progressive trance/prog-psy/prog house, building to slower epic tunes, then building to say tech trance or full on epic, and then even adding some psy. J00F does this quite well, so does Gareth Emery, Christopher Lawrence (though he does have a tendency to play full on), Nicolas Bennison, and even gasp..Tiesto! he can play a set (although it's all over the place) with various genres and not get boring by playing anthem after anthem at the same BPM. There is a way to make it interesting.... |
Do you know who Laurent Garnier is? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
Maybe because I grew out of the whole 'whiny' emotional attitude associated with trance. |
"Whiny emotional attitude?" :conf: |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by noikeee
I guess the blame falls partially on emos there.
Personally, one of the things that made me move away from trance music and later away from progressive is that they were too damn "emotional" (and some trance was so over the top with the emotional content that it started to sound fake and really forced to me - most of you understand this anyway).
The music you listen to affects the mood you get into, and listening to music that is very emotional makes you a whiney emo idiot. Well, at least it had that sort of effect on me. Listening to fun music is simply more fun and will make you more cheerful, while it might not evoke certain feelings which can be appreciated with emotional music.
On the other hand I really like deep house nowadays, which is pretty emotional, so you might just disregard everything I just said. :wtf: |
Deep house is the only major bastion of emotion today, and I've drifted in its direction this year because of it. But deep house uses a different emotional palette than trance and progressive. Discounting the atrocities of commercial trance, that genre tapped into something different than deep house does. Euphoria is a human emotion -- not an "uncool" emotion -- ans we're always going to have music that appeals to it. What changes is whether the oscillations of the scene view it as popular or not. In 1995, euphoria was cool. Someday, it will be again. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yes, maybe structurally speaking it is, but IMO, and I can't stress that enough, it is too often trying to over-inflate weak ideas. If a minimal/techno/tech track has boring sounds and re-hashed ideas, you usually hear it right away. I don't need melodies reverbed to kingdom come, or andy moor style echoed all over the place to make them seem much more complex than they actually are. I don't need snare rolls or a kick roll or whatever to announce that the breakdown is coming to an end, or excessive drama where it is un-needed. I like subtle music. I always have, I just never knew where to look for it, and that is what I'm trying to explain to you. Some of my favorite trance tracks are the ones that are simple and focus on simplicity in structure and good, interesting noises and tones, without all the riff-raff that i hear so often today. Also, I will not call it neo-trance because I think its a stupid term, but theres a lot of melodic techno coming out that is almost taking trance back to its roots.
And once again, where did I say one is superior to the other? I said I think one is better music, but thats my right and opinion. Just as that dude in the Danny Howells thread is free to hate all sax in tracks and think Danny is boring as piss. Imo, his loss, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
If I may put it in a few words describing a personal example, here is something I have noticed when I listen to the music I like today vs. the trance I used to love so much. Trance gave me that euphoric rush Spirit5 is talking about, often, especially when I was new to it. When builds explode, melodies come back, basslines drop, you get that wonderful tingle all over, that which music triggers in the brain and makes you feel good. But after a while, it constantly felt like I was being told over and over "HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES!!!!" The magic was lost, the anticipation and surprise muted. Now...I'll be sitting there listening to a tune/set and it will happen without me noticing, just all of a sudden, and that is what I love. |
"If minimal/techno track has weak ideas you hear it right away" oh really how come? Do you have the minimal/techno creativity-meter in your pocket alarming you to each weak idea that a track has? (and yes, i believe you are indeed a bondwagoner, i can probably see you after a few years saying how stupid you were for listening to minimal/techno). These ofcourse are relative criteria. You can judge the complexity of a track, but judging something more abstract such as its "ideas" is indeed subjective (and related to past experiences, ooverall exposure and knowledge to music, emotional state at the present moment, personality etc.). Was the new "Joris Voorn" album creative? Some will rave that it was the most creative album they've heard in their lives. I would say that it used the same Detroit formula that we hear from mid-90s only more polished and with better production-no different then whats happening with epic-trance today in comparison to the epic-trance of 98 (same formula, better production). Seriously i thing that i've heard all tracks of Voorn's new album in the past, only with lesser production. Now, thats ofcourse doesn't make it a bad album. It is indeed a good album for what it is (a detroit techno album). Can you see that it is not music in itself that it is bad it is you in relation to music. You are exposed to so many lead-lines and break-downs it makes you thing that it is bad music (because you are used to it, you have habituated to it). A youngster listening to an Armin set won't agree with you! The same with an old techno fan listening to Voorn's new album saying that it has a "Samey-same" formula... |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Do you know who Laurent Garnier is? |
One of the few DJs I'd care to hear today, that's for sure. |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
"Whiny emotional attitude?" :conf: |
And I'm lonely here without you
Miss your breath against my skin
You love me then you leave me
Still I lie here pressing fingers where your kisses have been
Basically.:p |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
And I'm lonely here without you
Miss your breath against my skin
You love me then you leave me
Still I lie here pressing fingers where your kisses have been
Basically.:p |
Not to be rude, either, but if that's all you associate that with trance and progressive you need to do some research. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
It's really funny to see someone bash another for disliking trance, being a "bondwagon" jumper, and accuse them of not being eclectic, and then turn around and say pretty much all minimal has no emotion and nothing worth a damn in it. I could find tons of examples from the "minimal" section on beatport or tech house areas that I think are full of emotion, melody, and interesting construction/substance, and not just The Field tunes. But keep on thinking you're the big bad mature guy on here who is leagues ahead of everyone else and immune to "bondwagon" jumping... :stongue: |
And what, did i sat that only the field's album was good? Did i say that "all minimal has no emotion"? Doh. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Was the new "Joris Voorn" album creative? Some will rave that it was the most creative album they've heard in their lives. I would say that it used the same Detroit formula that we hear from mid-90s only more polished and with better production-no different then whats happening with epic-trance today in comparison to the epic-trance of 98 (same formula, better production). Seriously i thing that i've heard all tracks of Voorn's new album in the past, only with lesser production. |
And actually, a minority of techno listeners seem to agree with you here. |
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| Paradox Lost |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
And I'm lonely here without you
Miss your breath against my skin
You love me then you leave me
Still I lie here pressing fingers where your kisses have been |
I don't think the 'whiney emotions' of Vocal Trance is the dominant characteristic that's associated with Trance, even in the minds of heavily jaded listeners. It exists in abundance, for sure, but I'm sure most listeners see a larger spectrum of style and emotion than that found in the aforementioned types of productions (save for those who are content to listen to Vocal Trance, and only Vocal Trance). |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Not to be rude, either, but if that's all you associate that with trance and progressive you need to do some research. |
Oh I never said I know much about trance at all but the majority of the trance jocks seem to associate it with just exactly that.
Or maybe there is an underground trance movement I don't know about. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
"If minimal/techno track has weak ideas you hear it right away" oh really how come? Do you have the minimal/techno creativity-meter in your pocket alarming you to each weak idea that a track has? (and yes, i believe you are indeed a bondwagoner, i can probably see you after a few years saying how stupid you were for listening to minimal/techno). These ofcourse are relative criteria. You can judge the complexity of a track, but judging something more abstract such as its "ideas" is indeed subjective (and related to past experiences, ooverall exposure and knowledge to music, emotional state at the present moment, personality etc.). Was the new "Joris Voorn" album creative? Some will rave that it was the most creative album they've heard in their lives. I would say that it used the same Detroit formula that we hear from mid-90s only more polished and with better production-no different then whats happening with epic-trance today in comparison to the epic-trance of 98 (same formula, better production). Seriously i thing that i've heard all tracks of Voorn's new album in the past, only with lesser production. Now, thats ofcourse doesn't make it a bad album. It is indeed a good album for what it is (a detroit techno album). Can you see that it is not music in itself that it is bad it is you in relation to music. You are exposed to so many lead-lines and break-downs it makes you thing that it is bad music (because you are used to it, you have habituated to it). A youngster listening to an Armin set won't agree with you! The same with an old techno fan listening to Voorn's new album saying that it has a "Samey-same" formula... |
Yes, again, you are the be-all end-all master of dance music. Let's all bow down before Dr. PETRAN and absorb his endless supply of wisdom. You keep regurgitating the same about subjectivity yet you fail to apply it to yourself. Once again, saying I only listen to minimal/techno when you're flat out ing wrong. In 5 years I'll be playing whatever music I like, but as I said, I'm still able to pick up a speedy J set from years back or Sasha & Digweed northern exposure and enjoy them to death today. Hopefully by then you'll have learned not to be so damn hypocritical and make sweeping baseless assumptions about the music tastes and ideas of people you've never met or bothered to get to know. I'm so over arguing with you its ridiculous. It's akin to a white house press conference with Dana Perino repeating the same useless argument over and over and over till everyone just has enough and leaves. You win. I have better to do... |
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