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On the Trance Listener (pg. 9)
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| Paradox Lost |
| quote: | Originally posted by IntoTrance
I offer reasonable, logical responses only when I feel that they will be understood. The minds here, that have thus been encountered and whcih you can surely attest to, are not receptive by any means. |
Surely, haven't the people who made legitimate arguments earned the assumption on your part that they're receptive enough to deserve a response?
Without putting forth my own particular evaluations on your position (I'll do this when more time becomes available), I can find content here that would effectively challenge it.
Comments like the one you just provided really don't emit a sense of even-handedness on your part, nor does it make this discussion environment any more pleasant |
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| IntoTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paradox Lost
Surely, haven't the people who made legitimate arguments earned the assumption on your part that they're receptive enough to deserve a response?
Without putting forth my own particular evaluations on your position (I'll do this when more time becomes available), I can find content here that would effectively challenge it. |
I've really only seen one legitimate argument set forth: that being yours.
Upon further examination , SYSTEM-J's re-evaluation of his position holds some credence, but I have yet to examine it.
All other arguments that have thus been made have been ill of character and without reasonable or logical construction. Rhetorical devices misused and out of place. |
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| Paradox Lost |
Well, it is not my intent to convince you as to which arguments are worth listening to, but I feel there's more worthwhile posts scattered throughout the pages of this thread than you're apparently willing to acknowledge.
That said, this is as far as I'll take this discussion for tonight, as I'm sure I'll run into you tomorrow- I'm sure the next few hours will yield plenty of material to chew on.
Until then... |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| Big words do not an argument make. |
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| IntoTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Big words do not an argument make. |
Obscene literary devices (your referrence to the character Yoda from Star Wars) do not add anything positive to this argument either.
I ask you not to respond to this particular post in an attempt to keep the conversation flowing, and if you do, I will not respond unless the post is integral to the advancement of said conversation. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by IntoTrance
Obscene literary devices (your referrence to the character Yoda from Star Wars) do not add anything positive to this argument either. |
Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong point either (which is why I'm not surprised this thread grew so big). There's no Yoda reference there.
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I ask you not to respond to this particular post in an attempt to keep the conversation flowing, and if you do, I will not respond unless the post is integral to the advancement of said conversation. |
Ah yes, the good old "I'm choosing to ignore you because I actually have nothing to say" tactic. That never fails. |
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| ToxicGreenWaste |
Nobody is trying to discredit you IntoTrance. If I wanted to discredit you here on TA i'd post this.
| quote: | Originally posted by IntoTrance
Krysta_101... hottie for sure. |
Oops... |
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| Tom Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by ToxicGreenWaste
Nobody is trying to discredit you IntoTrance. If I wanted to discredit you here on TA i'd post this.
Oops... |
LOL
But seriously my view on all of this is that everybody likes different things, if you detest a genre or record so much then simply don't listen to it. Nobody gains anything from post after post of somebody slating a certain genre - it just gets boringly repetitive.
I conclude that If you like a record/genre/producer/dj then listen and/or spin it, if you don't then build a little bridge and get the over it |
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| Fresh Prince |
Problem on TA is not the critics but the one-sidedness of their's,
there is a small number of members prevalent who take it upon themselves to enlighten
pretty much anyone who cares to visit here on the proper definition of something that
when it comes down to is merely a feeling.
Feelings are personal and perhaps the most personal thing that no one else can
exactly reproduce, everyone feels in their own way towards whichever issue.
That issue being here is music, rather than simply establish a technological blueprint
for every genre of music, it makes more practical sense to use definitions which majority will agree with.
Of course every individual weighs their own respective value, but in grand scale of things
when it comes to an audience which I believe listeners fall under to, it is better
to go with the before mentioned majority of people.
Simply because someone X doesn't like something n, it does not mean that
the matter is unworthy, in fact it could be worth a great deal to someone Y.
Music is not tangible, it can be only heard and ultimately felt, and as OP stated
there is no way to predict or know how each and every person will react to hearing a specific sound.
Simplified, problem with trance is the name, trance - a simple word.
People who cling on to the most rudimentary of trance definitions will never accept
the fact that trance became a synonym for many other similar but yet not quite the same sounds.
Many people have gotten rid of the word completely, some tried to change it's meaning,
apply it to today's standards and state of the market and target audience.
Audience today (us) has been pretty much left abandoned by the actual creators of music,
thus we're left alone to battle it between ourselves to determine
what is right and what is wrong, ironically no matter what we say will make no difference
to the situation on a bigger scale.
The problem ultimately is that people don't want to soften their positions/arguments and allow
some flexibility into the sound and into the audience, in TA terms -
"if you're not with us, you're against us", I think that's wrong and I hope that changes in the future. |
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| stevo_0 |
way to much to read. i agree with most parts,
EXCEPT on the defining part, i do agree somehow that ruins the experience, but for those, such as myself who are intently involved, and curious about the styles of music that are out their, it is quite useful and relevant to scrutinize what type or sub sub genre of music it may be.
helps you associate particular sounds, what made it different, and similar artists to find. it would be BRILLIANT if i could just float along and listen to music i love. but i need to know what type of music it is that im into specifically, before i do so. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i've almost have never seen anyone give a a whole lot of about nothing, as much as you have. |
Spirit 5: Redux |
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| RJT |
Holy there's a lot of text in this thread. :wtf:
I like Northern Exposure 2: East Coast the best of all. :gsmile: |
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