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Bulls**t doesn't change anything (political thread)... (pg. 5)
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| ownymcown |
Like someone said before, Obama seems like the candidate that is most likely to defend and uphold our civil liberties in the US. A few months ago, Ron Paul made it clear that he would fight to uphold rights that we have now and fight to get back the rights that we lost in the Bush administration. Now that Paul is gone, Obama seems like the best choice.
Does Hillary look like she'll fight for civil rights? Hell no, for example look at her crusade against violent video games a while back. She seems like the type to back any "war" against something as long as it will increase her public approval rating (war on drugs anyone?). Obama has gone on record saying he supports decriminalization of marijuana.
The economy is important to me, so is foreign policy and leadership skills, but let's face it, Obama is the guy to defend our individual rights. |
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| colibri |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by colibri
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He can't even save himself from his horrible track selection and you expect me to believe he can do the same for us from our horrible cadidate selection? Gimme a break. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by colibri
too young to have heard him at his peak... arc 2001 |
Thanks colibri. Can we go back in time to pick our presidents too? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hassassin
All of those 3 candidates have done nothing but pander to the sheep of this country... the poor, innocent, mainstream news watching fools who think they can understand the crux of a person's political experience though 1 NYTIMES or FoxNews headline. They are the choices for those who don't not 'have the time'(a.k.a lazy, selfish, middle class corporate slaves) to research what these candidates are really about... and more importantly what our domestic & foreign policy is doing to ourselves & the rest of this world.
The ONLY candidates who stand for any type of REAL STAUNCH CHANGE would be:
Ron Paul: The most EDUCATED man in Washington. He knows exactly how our foreign policy has failed us, why we were attacked on 9/11, and how to fix the situation. His voting record proves that he is the most intelligent & honest person on that House floor. Never voted to raise his own salary, gives some of his own salary back, has never voted to increase executive powers, has never voted to go to or fund any of our recent illegal wars. He understands the unconstitutional nature of our income tax. I could go on & on... but he is THE MOST QUALIFIED candidate for change. Sure, some of his domestic policies seem a bit odd. Everyone calls HIM the radical.
(and you also had individuals like Dennis Kucinich & Mike Gravel... but with the way our media loves to spin your heads around... HAH)
Unfortunately, we live in a country where the majority of the population has become RADICALLY ignorant to anything and everything around them. Their minds are numbed by the sound & taste of their own personal problems. Bi-weekly paychecks, desperate hopes to catch a piece of the American Dream, SuperBowl craziness, moronic devotion to parties(both democrat & republican) who work for & are payed by the SAME evil geniuses.
When will people realize that they are being taken for a ride? Our government continues to rape us of our money, our pride, our power, and our souls just so a few lucky white individuals get to make enough to buy that 5th yacht they always wanted.
Education BEFORE democracy.
Fascism and farcical republics have always thrived on the notion of the unintelligent. And unfortunately, the USA is a dictator's wet dream.
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when will Americans open their eyes... :( |
I always find Ronulans funny for criticizing those who follow the mainstream candidates for not being informed about said candidates. You Ron Paul people are the worst at not being informed. Just go to Ron Paul HQ, aka Digg.com, and see how uninformed most supporters are. All that they do is recycle the same soundbytes about blowback (he's right on that one), eliminating the IRS (bat crazy, reform, yes, eliminate federal income taxes - are you insane?), etc. Sure, some of his ideas might sound great, until you view the impact that they would have. And this is coming from me, who's pretty libertarian in his views. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
Look, we rebranded in 2000.... President Bush was paid for, supported, propped up, and catapulted into office by rich, fat, white men with money.... Why won't people open their eyes and see the same thing happening to Obama???? Yes, it's true for Hillary too but too often people put him on this level where he's untouchable, he's uncorruptible... The catapult that put Bush into power is the same that's putting him up there too!!! John Kerry is making his damn policies, for god sakes, where's the change????? It makes me nervous to think that 90% of his supporters don't see this reality... |
You're kidding, right? Obama is, I believe, averaging about $110/donor. How is that being propped up and catapulted into office by rich, white men?
By the way, Hillary couldn't even effectively use The Daily Show last night to effectively support her chances today. Missed SNL, but I hope that went better for her (well, not really...)
To be honest, if she's the nominee, I'm won't vote for her. I'll either skip for the first time, write in, or vote for McCain and hope for the McCain of 2000, not the panderer to the Christian Right & right-wing radio that's he's become. |
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| ownymcown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I always find Ronulans funny for criticizing those who follow the mainstream candidates for not being informed about said candidates. You Ron Paul people are the worst at not being informed. Just go to Ron Paul HQ, aka Digg.com, and see how uninformed most supporters are. All that they do is recycle the same soundbytes about blowback (he's right on that one), eliminating the IRS (bat crazy, reform, yes, eliminate federal income taxes - are you insane?), etc. Sure, some of his ideas might sound great, until you view the impact that they would have. And this is coming from me, who's pretty libertarian in his views. |
Let's keep in mind that no matter how radical some of his views are, the change that would be affected is not on the radical scale. GWB wanted to ban gay marriage and he couldn't even do that. An intelligent person would see that if Ron Paul was elected to office, the only result would be our current government with a slightly libertarian lean. By all accounts, I think its better than a neo-conservative lean. |
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| Stassi |
| I dunno lately Digg.com seems to be overpopulated by Obama Supporters. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ownymcown
Let's keep in mind that no matter how radical some of his views are, the change that would be affected is not on the radical scale. GWB wanted to ban gay marriage and he couldn't even do that. An intelligent person would see that if Ron Paul was elected to office, the only result would be our current government with a slightly libertarian lean. By all accounts, I think its better than a neo-conservative lean. |
OK, well with that point, just realize that Ron Paul could never gain any wide support from either side of the aisle, thus would accomplish nothing. Secondly, I'm not so sure how his appointments to the Supreme Court would work out, and I'm positive that at least one will be needed in the next 4 years. In my opinion, Stevens has been holding out for a new president because he's afraid of what will happen with one more Alito/Roberts appointment. The guy's 88 in April for crying out loud. Either that or he's planning to die on the bench. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
I dunno lately Digg.com seems to be overpopulated by Obama Supporters. |
Won't deny that, either, since in the past few months, Paul's support has dwindled since it went nowhere and we're too far into the primary season. The last half of 2007 and January was insane with Ron Paul people. |
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