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Bulls**t doesn't change anything (political thread)... (pg. 7)
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| DJ Eco |
| There is no place for your opinions in here, you've only just turned 17 today, man!!! Happy birthday, btw hahaha.... However, you'll soon go to College and be enlightened with how the rest of this intelligent city thinks (mainly that it's not good to be an Evangelical Christian, nor is there anything wrong with placing mandates on American industries to prevent pollution, among others).... As far as voting a "liberal" as you put it, for the next 4 years, in order to, as you put it, show what a mistake has been made: look at the past 8 years..... That, my friend is a MISTAKE... Hell, it's not a mistake, this has been one of the up decisions by the American people in the nation's history. |
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| Stef De Roux |
As much as i do not support Bush, i honestly think that history will be his judge, and that over time(50+ years) we will see that the move into Iraq may have been a positive in the long run. We are too blind sided by the initial loses of this war, however long term there are guaranteed benefits. If i can make the analogy to how WWII empowered women to work and support their country, as well as provide inspiration to all women around the world, eventually leading to the new suffrage movement and full equality. These kind of effects can not be easily for seen; and that is what will happen with the Iraq war. America is like a monopoly and must look toward future earnings rather than the growth or decline during one quarter.
Mitt Romney was the only candidate who could effectively pacify the liberals; may i remind you that he vetoed bills that funded stem cell research in the state of Massachusetts, and also was Governor in the most liberal state in our great country.Social issues do not determine how conservative someone is, at least in my eyes. A true conservative would delegate such trivial issues to the state governments. |
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| sinisterbeats |
She can't catch up in the pledge delegates.
She can't put her party before her own personal ambitions.
her and the clintons. |
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| ownymcown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
I was a Mitt Romney fan. The troop surge is working not because of Bush but because of Petraeus. However John Mccain has showed this country that he is no conservative
1)He claims he wants to keep the Bush tax cuts permanent. An excellent statement that I agree with completely. However, it seems that he voted against them twice.
2)He claims to fight for American business, especially the struggling auto industry, yet he has no problem placing mandates on them to prevent pollution and at the same time pull them further under.
3)He claims to have evangelical Christian support yet he had no problem calling evangelical leaders "agents of intolerance"
4)Lastly the thing that cements Mccain as a leftist is his crafting of the Mccain-Feingold campaign reform act. Only a liberal would dare tell a person how much money they should be allowed to spend on a campaign.
For all of these reasons I believe that John Mccain will result in a shift of the Republican Party to the left. Whether it is foolish or not I will not abandon my conservative principles just so a Republican gets into the White House. I support Mccain more than the Democrats because he is not as left wing as they are. However if this was not a time of war I would strongly consider the long term benefits of having a Democrat in office for 4 years this way the country could see how wrong they were in electing someone to the left. However, since I agree with John Mccain's foreign policy and the way he wants to handle terror, and seeing how having a Democrat in office in this critical time may very well lead to the demise of my country John Mccain needs to be elected.
Unfortunately I think it comes at a sad price to conservatives such as myself. The Republican party is making a step to the left and it is leaving people of my political persuasion behind.
This is all coming from a high school student that is part of JSA, i am sorry if i can't compete with you college grads with degrees. |
Lol, there is no more such thing as a conservative in the Republican party anymore (except maybe Ron Paul).
What ever happened to small government (government is bigger than ever under bush), low taxes (Bush's tax cuts are worthless to the majority of americans), humble foreign policy (The Democrats are the ones who go to war for moral reasons and to police the world, conservative Republicans are the ones who claim to keep us out of wars), and more personal liberty?
This is neo-conservatism you're talking about.
Conservatives are usually strong on national defense, but striking in a preemptive war doesn't exactly bolster our defenses. Taking away border patrol guards to send to Iraq doesn't exactly make sense when you want to reinforce our defenses. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
1)He claims he wants to keep the Bush tax cuts permanent. An excellent statement that I agree with completely. However, it seems that he voted against them twice. |
No other administration in US history has ever cut taxes during war. It's a ing insanely stupid (I just can't find enough words...) policy, I just don't understand. The Republican party, supposedly the caretakers of the military, have done so much to this country's military power that it's insane. This war is the biggest sinkhole of funds imaginable.
To be honest, this is one area where the Republican Party has really fallen off its values. The Party is completely drunk on deficit spending to the point that it's intolerable. The Party has been so hijacked by your Point #3 that any respect for the future is out the window. Jesus is coming and he'll sort out global warming, the US's trillions of $$ debt and those damn Arabs.
To be blunt, you are a completely unpatriotic bitch if you're unwilling to spend a few hundred, or in the higher tax brackets, a few thousand, more dollars to fund a war that you want. How dare you complain about spending that the Democrats want to impose on healthcare, Social Security, schools, etc., if you're willing to spend the money we're dumping in Iraq that would, with just one day's worth of spending, would pay for 160,000 college students to get Pell grants.
Also, as a 17 year-old, you have not sure how much of a right to bitch about taxes that you have. I'm sure I paid more last month more you'll pay all year.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Stef De Roux 3)He claims to have evangelical Christian support yet he had no problem calling evangelical leaders "agents of intolerance" |
They are. To be honest, I'd consider supporting the Republican party if it weren't for these insane idealogues.
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
4)Lastly the thing that cements Mccain as a leftist is his crafting of the Mccain-Feingold campaign reform act. Only a liberal would dare tell a person how much money they should be allowed to spend on a campaign. |
Just because he can't raise money. He was almost out in the fall due to lack of funds. He's now bitching that Obama is reconsidering his pledge to run on public funds because of his widespread support. It's not that I necessarily agree with his stance, it's just that it doesn't conform to Republican standards. |
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| Stef De Roux |
| quote: | Originally posted by sinisterbeats
She can't catch up in the pledge delegates.
She can't put her party before her own personal ambitions.
her and the clintons. |
The big reason I supported Romney is because the other two candidates are absolute morons. Barack Obama sounds like someone on a motivational speaking DVD as well as being rookie senator who just lies about change and welfare. Hillary Clinton is a welfare pimp left over from the 1990s; the thought of Bill Clinton back in the White House bored with nothing to do is a frightening one indeed. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
The big reason I supported Romney is because the other two candidates are absolute morons. Barack Obama sounds like someone on a motivational speaking DVD as well as being rookie senator who just lies about change and welfare. Hillary Clinton is a welfare pimp left over from the 1990s; the thought of Bill Clinton back in the White House bored with nothing to do is a frightening one indeed. |
It's even worse now that Bill is old and Cranky and probably has cobwebs on his crotch. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
As much as i do not support Bush, i honestly think that history will be his judge, and that over time(50+ years) we will see that the move into Iraq may have been a positive in the long run. We are too blind sided by the initial loses of this war, however long term there are guaranteed benefits. If i can make the analogy to how WWII empowered women to work and support their country, as well as provide inspiration to all women around the world, eventually leading to the new suffrage movement and full equality. These kind of effects can not be easily for seen; and that is what will happen with the Iraq war. America is like a monopoly and must look toward future earnings rather than the growth or decline during one quarter. |
Do you have any comprehension of basic economics? I'm guessing that they don't teach those in 10th grade. They didn't do too much in my public school 10 years ago.
I'm sorry, you can only spend so much on long term investments (if you can call Iraq that) without bleeding the present. Not mention that loans like we have with China don't come at cheap interest rates. Is there any question why the dollar is becoming worthless in the worldwide market? |
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| Stef De Roux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Also, as a 17 year-old, you have not sure how much of a right to bitch about taxes that you have. I'm sure I paid more last month more you'll pay all year.
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Sorry you wont sway me with ad-hominem attacks and attempts just call me an idiot for having an opinion that people my age (i just turned 17 today) usually do not even fathom. Though i enjoyed reading your post, as it gives a different perspective to me. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
the thought of Bill Clinton back in the White House bored with nothing to do is a frightening one indeed. |
buahaha Good one! I haven't heard that one yet!!!!!!!
Jeez... A crazy oilman, a deranged member of the board of Halliburton, and all their friends... those are the guys we should have been scared of.... But no, Americans like their government to be a Jerry Springer episode. |
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| Stef De Roux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Do you have any comprehension of basic economics? I'm guessing that they don't teach those in 10th grade. They didn't do too much in my public school 10 years ago.
I'm sorry, you can only spend so much on long term investments (if you can call Iraq that) without bleeding the present. Not mention that loans like we have with China don't come at cheap interest rates. Is there any question why the dollar is becoming worthless in the worldwide market? |
In 11th grade they do not teach economics, and they are cutting the macroeconomics course because of lack of interest, and i was one of three people who even applied for next year. Does it make you feel good to try and make fun of someone a decade younger? |
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| ownymcown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef De Roux
In 11th grade they do not teach economics, and they are cutting the macroeconomics course because of lack of interest, and i was one of three people who even applied for next year. Does it make you feel good to jest at someone a decade younger? |
Lol there's no excuse for ignorance, either you know it or you don't. |
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