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The Canadian politics thread (pg. 14)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
when they can hide the costs of their agendas after campaigning originally on a platform of transparency, when they can accuse the opposition of disrespecting democracy after having twice literally hit the OFF switch on parliament... if there is anymore that canadians need to see, then it is too late already. |
This is the part that I find shocking also. Why is it that the Canadians don’t seem care much about Harper and his disrespect Democracy? When did we become so selfish and shallow?
This man does not represent Canada and I’m ashamed to have a leader like Harper representing this country. Wake up Canada Harper doesn’t give a about you or Democracy. |
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| malek |
Hopefully Bloc makes official opposition in a majority Conservative!!
Ideal scenario for next referendum!! YES! |
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| TrAnCeiN4LiFe |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
about you or Democracy. |
in the last 13 years I've lived in this beautiful land, I've noticed one thing remains the same with each year passing by... the country is turning more and more communist....
just like Americans.. they praise "Democracy" and "freedom" yet do not follow either of the two. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCeiN4LiFe
in the last 13 years I've lived in this beautiful land, I've noticed one thing remains the same with each year passing by... the country is turning more and more communist....
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exactly, it takes people coming from a socialist/communist country to notice that. |
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| cyclegoat |
| I always went Conservative, but I look at USA and I dont want this country turning like anything close to it. I know NDP is seen as communist party, but going for conservative army airplanes, and corporate blow jobs is something that needs to be voted against. If NDP says they wont raise the taxes they got my vote, if they say they will tax the rich, they got my passion. But I still have to wait and see what they will say. Bottom line is - wealth gap is increasing. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
hey, conservative camp... you know, those of you who 5 years ago were screaming FIBERALS! ADSCAM! ADSCAM! what do you have to say for your joke of a government right now? |
who cares! because...
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Who the could ever vote for ignatieff? He has to be one of the most arrogant sons of bitches ive ever seen.
At least most public figures try to hide it! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Even though they are 19 points ahead in polls right now? |
If the Liberals didn't think they could close that gap they wouldn't have toppled the government. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
If the Liberals didn't think they could close that gap they wouldn't have toppled the government. |
it's going to be interesting to see how the libs will play this. i mean, i just can't see how they can win. then again, in elections, anything can happen |
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| nacarter |
I'm really kind of torn this election. Mainly because my political views simply aren't represented in this country anymore. I really am a Progressive Conservative, but that brand of conservatism has been completely swallowed up by the western So-Cred wannabes. The Cons don't represent the interests of the average Canadian, and they're trying to dumb down governing to the point where you won't recognize any significant difference between Canada and Texas. I know there's lots of soft Con supporters around here who keep saying that Harper won't implement any sort socially conservative policies, even if he wins a majority. We'll talk about that once the religious right within the party calls in their markers. Remeber that Darrell Reid, ex head of Focus in the Family Canada and Chuck McVety, President of the Canada Family Action Coalition are close Harper advisors.
On the other hand, Ignatieff has been a terrible leader for the Liberals in a time when there's a complete dearth of leadership within the party. There is no platform, there is no direction, so if Canadians aren't supposed to vote for Harper, what are they supposed to vote for? It's gotten to the point in the Liberal party where a Con majority may be necessary in order to blow the whole thing up and start over again. Ideally, discussions would be starting on a merger with the NDP and the Greens. The left is now in the same situation that the right was all through the 1990s. Vote splitting is absolutely killing any chance of winning an election.
As per normal, this election is a contest between a douchebag and a turd sandwich. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by nacarter
I'm really kind of torn this election. Mainly because my political views simply aren't represented in this country anymore. I really am a Progressive Conservative, but that brand of conservatism has been completely swallowed up by the western So-Cred wannabes. The Cons don't represent the interests of the average Canadian, and they're trying to dumb down governing to the point where you won't recognize any significant difference between Canada and Texas. I know there's lots of soft Con supporters around here who keep saying that Harper won't implement any sort socially conservative policies, even if he wins a majority. We'll talk about that once the religious right within the party calls in their markers. Remeber that Darrell Reid, ex head of Focus in the Family Canada and Chuck McVety, President of the Canada Family Action Coalition are close Harper advisors. |
even if Harper gets majority govt and implement his radical social policies, it's a political suicide. sure. the cons might get their 4 years of majority, but the election after all, the opposition will hammer the cons for all its worth from the time first of those bills get passed. and the libs be in power for next 10 years or something
stuff like abortion and gay rights are more or less part of Canada now. to go against that is going to alienate a lot of centre Canadians
whatever Harper's real stance may be, I think he's too much of a pragmatic realist and not much of an idealist to not see what kind of damage he can do to the cons if he ever adopts far right cons views |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
even if Harper gets majority govt and implement his radical social policies, it's a political suicide. sure. the cons might get their 4 years of majority, but the election after all, the opposition will hammer the cons for all its worth from the time first of those bills get passed. and the libs be in power for next 10 years or something
stuff like abortion and gay rights are more or less part of Canada now. to go against that is going to alienate a lot of centre Canadians
whatever Harper's real stance may be, I think he's too much of a pragmatic realist and not much of an idealist to not see what kind of damage he can do to the cons if he ever adopts far right cons views |
and you're not mentionning that the next govt after the CPC will just void those new laws... anyways, I'm not too worried about CPCs social agenda. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
i mean, i just can't see how they can win. then again, in elections, anything can happen |
Yohan, this election is less about winning for the opposition parties then it is about avoiding a Conservative majority in an election called at the Conservative's choosing and thereby prompting a change in leadership. Another Conservative minority will result in both the Conservatives and Liberals going to a leadership convention, replacing their leaders, and breaking the present void of there being a party capable of winning a majority (both parties of course hope that their new leader will be the one to win over the electorate). That's what's really going on here... all parties are manufacturing a way to break the stalemate; not in this election but in the next one (about 20 months from now). |
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