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Christianity and Astrotheology (pg. 3)
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| {b.s.e.} |
| stop bickering and debate :wtf: |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Calling your narrow minded outlook 'skepticism' doesn't make it so. |
Thank you for demonstrating my point. I am "narrow minded" because I disagree with you. Great debating skills. I am also amazed at your attempt to categorize my upbringing AND and analyze my personality..."Your aversion to even discussion of the subject can only be taken as a lack of confindence in your world view, which translated in to a serious lack of credibility. Any comments you see as being inaccurate evaluations of personal or collective characteristics or personality traits should be easy to disregard and ignore provided there's no lack of confidence in yourself." Lack of confidence? Oh you got me there...:rolleyes:
I was also not ridiculing anyone. Just the people who go on diatribes about how open minded they are and how close minded everyone else is.
| quote: | | The earliest Christians were Greeks and Hellenized Jews who were well acquainted with the beliefs and traditions of the many Mystery Religions of that time. Simply put, the earliest Christians were converted pagans and one of the arguments the early Church used to convert pagans was the numerical association Jesus Christ had with the the sun god Helios. |
There is no doubt in my mind paganism has influenced the Christian tradition. All one has to do is look at the holidays, and discover many fall on equinox's which were celebrated by pagans. The Catholic church's doctrines on saints also reeks of Roman polytheism doesn't it?
But I think that Christianity has its roots not in paganism, but in Judaism. Springing forth from Judaism in the ministry of the apostle Paul and spreading to the pagan Gentiles...So who was Jesus and the 12 apostles BSE? Were they just symbols of the zodiac created for a new religion? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Thank you for demonstrating my point. I am "narrow minded" because I disagree with you. |
Apparently you're also retarded, or at least don't have any problem pulling things out of thin air once again. I didn't call you "narrow minded" for disagreeing with me, I've only made comments like that after being personally attacked with accusations of paranoia, intellectual dishonesty, or dellusion in the past... for not "agreeing" with or accepting perceptions of reality based on official govermental chronologies of events or the corporate mass media, which apparently makes a "conspiracy nut." You see, I'm kind of "skeptical" about what I hear coming from the establishement or any institutions having any kind of association with it, which is so inherently "intellectually dishonest" apparently. Given the pre-existaning precedence of label slapping, I don't think it's unfair to finally respond to it with another qualitatively subjective judgmental comment if someone else decides to jump on the band wagon too.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Great debating skills. I am also amazed at your attempt to categorize my upbringing AND and analyze my personality... |
Thanks for the compliment about my debating skills. When did I "categorize" your upbringing or "analyze" your personality? You should really keep a dictionary handy. I've grown up in 3 countries and 5 states (in the US), with several contrasting characteristics in many respects. I assure you travelling is quite different from living somewhere, and constrasting socio-economic conditions, political realities, cultural practices, and social norms will make your life experience quite different from most people living anywhere. Understandably, to me most people have a fairly limited exposure to the world as not everyone has had the opportunity to be exposed to a fairly contrasting settings. Any comments based on that fact are not an "analysis" of your personality. In most probability, my comments would not have been misinterpreted by someone with a similar experience so I guess it's safe to say that's it's unfamiliar to you.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
"Your aversion to even discussion of the subject can only be taken as a lack of confindence in your world view, which translated in to a serious lack of credibility. Any comments you see as being inaccurate evaluations of personal or collective characteristics or personality traits should be easy to disregard and ignore provided there's no lack of confidence in yourself." Lack of confidence? Oh you got me there...:rolleyes: |
Well then, stop responding reactively if you have nothing to say about the subject. I was responding with my opinion to the thread starters comment about the lack of discussion, I don't see why it should bother you so much... espeically if it's a highly inaccurate or unfair.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I was also not ridiculing anyone. Just the people who go on diatribes about how open minded they are and how close minded everyone else is. |
It's not my fault that you're confusing me with Trancer-X. Just because we have similiar perspectives on some subjects doesn't mean we have similar personalities or approaches to interacting with people. |
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| Krypton |
Ok, I didn't read what you said, and I don't care...
Have a nice day...:gsmile: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Ok, I didn't read what you said, and I don't care...
Have a nice day...:gsmile: |
Thank you. Try doing that in the future too if you must repsond reactively. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Thank you. Try doing that in the future too if you must repsond reactively. |
Reactionary? LOL @ the irony.. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
There is no doubt in my mind paganism has influenced the Christian tradition. All one has to do is look at the holidays, and discover many fall on equinox's which were celebrated by pagans. The Catholic church's doctrines on saints also reeks of Roman polytheism doesn't it?
But I think that Christianity has its roots not in paganism, but in Judaism. Springing forth from Judaism in the ministry of the apostle Paul and spreading to the pagan Gentiles...So who was Jesus and the 12 apostles BSE? Were they just symbols of the zodiac created for a new religion? |
Bah, my post was lost in the void logging in.
Jesus is exactly that. Personified, historisized and perpetuated by the sword by the Roman empire. Constantine saw it as a perfect chance to rid himself of rivals, including several family members, and could be forgiven in a brief confession. Something he couldn't receive in Mirthaism, who didn't cater to murderers. At the council of Nicea in 325, under one roof, Constantine summoned not only Christian leaders from Alexandria, Antioch, Athens, Jeruselum and Rome, but also the leaders of the many other cults, sects and religions, including those of Apollo. Demeter/Ceres, Dionysus/Bacchus/Iasios, Janus, Jupiter/Zeus, Osiris and Isis and "Sol Invictus", the Invincible Sun, the object of Constantine's devotion. The purpose of this council was to unify the various competing cults under one universal or "Catholic" church, would of course be controlled by Constantine and Rome. As note, Rome claimed ultimate authority because it was founded on 'The Rock of Peter' (formerly known as Mithra's Rock).
It is maintained that during the Nicene Council the names Jesus and Christ were first put together. Uniting two of the major factions with Jesus representing the Hess of he Druids, Horus/Iusa of Egypt, Joshua/Jesus of the Israelites, and IES/Iesios of the Dionysians and Christ representing the Krishna/Christos of India and the Annointed of the Jews and KRST of Egyp, among others.
It is alleged that the phrase "Jesus Christ" which had never been a name, does not appear in Greek or latin authors prior to the first Council of Nicea |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
well, with arguments and researching skills like this
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
man, why are you making me spell it out for you?
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im so ing glad i didnt bother with this thread. why is there such an appeal in "alternative theories" for some of you, no matter how bad the evidence is? is it THAT attractive to be "in the know" that you'll swallow and regurgitate ANY idea as long as its not commonly accepted?
christ. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
what the is wrong with you? you're a ing troll of epic proportions.
65% if the people in the 9/11 thread believe it was an inside job. 35% of americans believe that as well, in a poll.
that has nothing to do with this. which, in my opinion is much more important than the state of affairs and a corrupt government. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
what the is wrong with you? you're a ing troll of epic proportions.
65% if the people in the 9/11 thread believe it was an inside job. 35% of americans believe that as well, in a poll.
that has nothing to do with this. which, in my opinion is much more important than the state of affairs and a corrupt government. |
just pointing out that no matter the topic, the likelihood of you knowing what youre talking about is pretty low, assuming you tackle each topic with the same approach and commitment to alternative ideas. i am merely drawing a link between you and stupid (badly-researched) ideas. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
just pointing out that no matter the topic, the likelihood of you knowing what youre talking about is pretty low, assuming you tackle each topic with the same approach and commitment to alternative ideas. i am merely drawing a link between you and stupid (badly-researched) ideas. |
while i can admit that i don't have much of a thirst for knowledge in the areas of 9/11, I can maintain an opinion, which is that of mistrust of the Bush administration.
that being said, i've already stated that i don't care about the 9/11 attacks, we are where we are and there's nothing we can do about it.
On the other hand, however, I am very interested in anthropology, astrology and religion. I have done a considerable amount of research, only a fraction of which i have stated. What have you? A zeitgeist critique and a pisspoor attitude. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
On the other hand, however, I am very interested in anthropology, astrology and religion. I have done a considerable amount of research, only a fraction of which i have stated. What have you? A zeitgeist critique and a pisspoor attitude. |
why would i bother doing heaps of research into something im not interested in (im an atheist btw and dont believe in jesus to begin with) especially when your first post included plenty of apparent errors? |
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