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Christianity and Astrotheology (pg. 8)
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Nonsense! Youre a gatekeeper spreading disinfo!! :crazy: |
... you got me. * busted * :( Oh well, at least I'm in the same category as Chosmky now, our shill asses can talk about our good ol' cointelpro days. |
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| Zild |
Its all cool. I used to be evil too remember. Luckily I never took out any binding covenants with AMORC, or OTO although I did have my ties they were never solemnified.
It wasn't like they had anything to teach me anyway. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Its all cool. I used to be evil too remember. Luckily I never took out any binding covenants with AMORC, or OTO although I did have my ties they were never solemnified.
It wasn't like they had anything to teach me anyway. |
Don't be a liar you know you self initiated into Golden Dawn. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| LOL, bat crazy Zild :p? |
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| Zild |
I constantly question my sanity, which lets me know I'm still hanging on.
The minute I start thinking everything is perfectly normal is when I'll know I'm ed.
But seriously I need to cut it out before I start waxing poetically about Crowley, Hall, and Bardon. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| so are we in agreement? :wtf: Jesus is the Sun. I think it's pretty freakin' obvious. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
so are we in agreement? :wtf: Jesus is the Sun. I think it's pretty freakin' obvious. |
There is a distinct lack of plausible or compelling evidence. And archaya's work is contententious at best, ignored and ridiculed at worst. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
There is a distinct lack of plausible or compelling evidence. And archaya's work is contententious at best, ignored and ridiculed at worst. |
Please cite references, outside of your forum users.
She's unpopular with christians and christian apologists alike. Go figure.
That being said, there is much more out there in regards to research on the astrotheological roots of Christianity.
Astrotheology and Shamanism: Unveiling the Law of Duality in Christianity and other Religions by Jan Irvin and Andrew Rutajit which has also been reproduced in a documentary, available free online in low-resolution.
Brotherhood of the Sun: A Modern Story about an Ancient Order by Patrick Cain and more and more..and more. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Please cite references, outside of your forum users.
She's unpopular with christians and christian apologists alike. Go figure. |
well, obviously i am taking her work from how it was presented in zeitgeist, which probably isn't quite fair. but im not gonna bother reading something i dont have much interest in. but, the fact that she has written a companion guide to zeitgeist is hardly doing her any favours ;)
from wiki
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The claims of Acharya S have been criticized for a number of reasons. Her detractors say:
Acharya S's works are poor scholarship. They contain essentially no primary research and little substantiation for her claims.
Her research is one-sided, and uses biased, inaccurate, and outdated sources to prove her point.
The sources for her books, including The World's 16 Crucified Saviors by Kersey Graves and Women's Encyclopedia of Myth and Secrets by Barbara Walker, are themselves of suspect authority and lacking in primary research.
Her work shows ignorance of the topics on which she writes, and in particular of the Hindu and Buddhist traditions.
The similarities between Krishna and the Buddha and Jesus, which is the theme of her second book, for instance, do not seem to correlate with the actual beliefs of Buddhists and Hindu's respectively.(Pages 109 and 116 of "The Christ Conspiracy", and the entire book "Suns of God" reference these facts.) For instance, Buddha and Krishna are not considered to have been crucified, and neither is said to have been born on December 25th, as Acharya claims. Other discrepancies between the various other "Saviour" gods and legends she compares Jesus to, such as Attis, Dionysus, Hercules, Apollo, Orpheus, Quetzalcoatl, etc., make her books suspect.
Few of the similarities in the various myths, legends, and histories of the characters outlined in her book can be verified by independent sources, or shown to be part of the belief system involving them. These similarities appear in list form in Chapter 9 of The Christ Conspiracy, which is entitled "The Characters". |
You will find the academic world is only ever one argument/piece of evidence away from embracing a completely new set of ideas. Im not seeing that happen as a result of her work. There's a reason why she hasn't found widespread support amongst egyptologists and other historians (and no, I don’t think its because they're all christians). Most of the sites I have read argue that her research is sloppy. Now, if I am to assume that zeitgeist portrays her arguments (more or less) accurately, then I would tend to agree.
To quote wiki some more
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The idea of Jesus as a myth is rejected by the majority of biblical scholars and historians.
Richard Burridge and Graham Gould stated that they did not know of any "respectable" scholars that held the view today.[3]
Robert E. Van Voorst has stated that biblical scholars and historians regard the thesis as "effectively refuted".[19]
Grant writes "To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." [63]
Charlesworth writes "No reputable scholar today questions that a Jew named Jesus son of Joseph lived; most readily admit that we now know a considerable amount about his actions and basic teachings ...", [64]
Jesus-myth proponent Earl Doherty agrees that "Van Voorst is quite right in saying that “mainstream scholarship today finds it unimportant” Most of their comment (such as those quoted by Michael Grant) are limited to expressions of contempt."[20]. He explains this by saying that "interests", both religious and secular, have "mounted a campaign against it |
If her case was strong and/or accurate enough you would see a much more polarisation of opinion, rather than her against the rest of the world. Perhaps I am foolish to take into consideration the wider academic opinion without having read her book myself, but like I said, as I don’t have the interest the fact that academia disagrees with her is enough for me. |
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| TranceGiant |
I always knew Jesus was a sunnyboy
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| Single-handedly rejecting any research conducted by a Christian theologian because he/she is Christian seems silly in my opinion. After all, who has read Christian doctrine more thoroughly - a religious historian, or an atheist Egyptologist? |
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