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Christianity and Astrotheology (pg. 6)
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Judaism is the direct result of Abraham's covenant to worship YHVH above all other gods. But if you think it doesn't incorporate the mystery religion then I don't agree. |
Abraham actually worshipped El Shaddai, who was later replaced with Yahweh (YHWH), as seen in this passage:
And God spake unto Moses and said unto him, I am Yahweh: and I appeared unto Abraham and unto Isaac, and unto Jacob by the name of El Shaddai, but by my name Yahweh I was not known unto them.
In psalms 106:37 El Shaddai is actually demonised as one of the Canaanite SHedim, to whom the Israelites sacrificed their sons and daughters.
In a somewhat common development of the human mind which allows for polytheism, pantheism, monotheism and athiesm at once, the Elohim became perceived as one "EL". THe word EL also represented a deiy both male and female, but the later Jews generally interpreted it exclusively male. El was the sun, or "day star" as well as the planet Saturn, which at one point was considered the central and everlasting sun of the night sky. El/Saturn's worship is reflected in the fact that the Jews still consider Saturday as the Sabbath. Furthermor, El is Elias, the Sun God Helios, to whom Jesus called from the Cross. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
What mystery religion? |
LOL |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
What mystery religion? Abraham did not develop the Jewish doctrines. |
You're right the doctrines were developed by old men well versed in the mysteries over hundreds of years. Study of the kabbalah was never allowed for women or young men. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| still waiting on RAISTLIN to show me pictures from his childhood where he is depicted as a Christfigure. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
You're right the doctrines were developed by old men well versed in the mysteries over hundreds of years. Study of the kabbalah was never allowed for women or young men. |
What's the mystery religion you are referring to? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
still waiting on RAISTLIN to show me pictures from his childhood where he is depicted as a Christfigure. |
LOL, I'm eager to see that as well. Solar Messia PKCheese would indeed be a very interesting phenomenon, as his fundamental messages for his followers would be to hate religion and God... and never to utter Dawkin's name in vein. Talking about controlled demolitions would be one of the few taboos and unforgivable sins of PKCheesianity, only second to listening to House. If one were degenrate enough to sink so low and indulge in such henous sins, the only act of redemption a follower of PKCheesianity could do is read the NIST report every day starting from the spring equinox until Uranus conjuncts your moon. Then you would have to hope for the blessing of Dick Cheney :p. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
What's the mystery religion you are referring to? |
"Astrology"
:wtf:
Darwin who? We were created by the Annunaki, no? lol |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
funny, i knew exactly what you were going to post. try and be less predictable. |
Not to be trite, but he has a point. How many ways did your mother hold you? It's not at all surprising that two pictoral depictions of mothers holding a new child have somewhat similar posture. Nor that iconography draws on elements of the past to imbue new meaning. I mean, you can just look at the Annie Liebowitz catalogue to see plenty of examples of historical images being refashioned to carry new meaning.
| quote: | [/img]http://bahumuth.chaosnet.org/images/orpheus3.jpg[/img]
are there any pictures from your childbirth depicting you getting crucified on a vine? |
And in all honesty, that hardly looks like a crucifiction, but I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with this one. Are you saying that the death of Jesus is a manufactured myth?
There are plenty of areas within Christian theology that are heavily influenced by "pagan" religions that came before it - but most of those influences are manifest in iconography and practice, and not in the actual doctrine of the religion necessarily. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
LOL, I'm eager to see that as well. Solar Messia PKCheese would indeed be a very interesting phenomenon, as his fundamental messages for his followers would be to hate religion and God... and never to utter Dawkin's name in vein. Talking about controlled demolitions would be one of the few taboos and unforgivable sins of PKCheesianity, only second to listening to House. If one were degenrate enough to sink so low and indulge in such henous sins, the only act of redemption a follower of PKCheesianity could do is read the NIST report every day starting from the spring equinox until Uranus conjuncts your moon. Then you would have to hope for the blessing of Dick Cheney :p. |
hahahaha!
for anyone that feels they're being suckered by this thread, here's another good one to start with
a little balance can go a long way |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
hahahaha!
for anyone that feels they're being suckered by this thread, here's another good one to start with
a little balance can go a long way |
heh, thanks for providing the link and not reading the full page.
it's always interesting to read what the writer of Zeitgeist has to say about his own work, when called into question.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm
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from your link, RAISTLIN:
The ancient Egyptian religion is a sun-based religion and the yearly cycle of the stars was very important for them to calculate their calender. It would be surprising if there was no an alignment with certain celestial phenomena. However, archaeoastronomy is not an established science working hand in hand with archaeology in much of Mespotamia and Egypt. There are several reasons for this:
"The problem is that until recently hardly any research was done in that area: Egyptologists are no astronomers, and calculations in that field are extremely complex. This was taken for granted, but not a field of research. So nothing to much 'scientific' can be said, simply because of lack of data. That is something else than saying Egyptologists dismiss celestial alignments: they simply never looked into it. That is the disadvantage of a rich culture like that of the Egyptians: one can't do everything."
~ Paul Haanen Archaeologist in Egypt
Acharya S. is quite well respected in all fields she attests to authoring. Why you can't do a little research of your own is beyond me, but that is up to you, ultimately. Until then, feel free to google some more debunk pages and show how truly little you care about debating this topic. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
And in all honesty, that hardly looks like a crucifiction, but I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with this one. Are you saying that the death of Jesus is a manufactured myth?
There are plenty of areas within Christian theology that are heavily influenced by "pagan" religions that came before it - but most of those influences are manifest in iconography and practice, and not in the actual doctrine of the religion necessarily. |
perhaps i made a poor choice in representitive material.
Sarcophagus from 200s or 300s CE of Dionysus' pole being lifted at Spring Festival
Picture taken from The Jesus Mysteries, by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
heh, thanks for providing the link and not reading the full page. |
i read the entire thread but whatever.
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Acharya S. is quite well respected in all fields she attests to authoring. |
no she isn't. she's a crackpot that proposes ideas that nobody else in whatever field agrees with. of course, this doesn't make her wrong but it does raise questions to the veracity of her claims. if you had bothered reading the whole page you would have come across quite a lot of problems with her methodology.
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Why you can't do a little research of your own is beyond me, |
but why would i? i dont care about jesus.
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
but that is up to you, ultimately. Until then, feel free to google some more debunk pages and show how truly little you care about debating this topic. |
ive explained to you already, im a user at JREF, i have no need to google their forums, they have their own search engine. there's plenty on there for you to look at, which i would suggest doing if your knowledge of 911 is in anyway indicative of your ability to assess evidence. |
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