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December 21st 2012... (pg. 14)
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
i don't think science is all encompassing
i think there's things that are beyond science's grasp
science admits neither of these things
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i don't think science has ever said it is all encompassing
of course there are things that are beyond science's grasp at the moment. there are things science hasn't explained. science is still going! thats the whole point.
science does admit it can't explain things. i already told you that. but instead of leaving it unexplained or giving you a bull answer science keeps trying. |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
pkc another point to consider is this:
Look at architure, there is a clear path that things follow, almost an evolution itself if you like, that shows gradual change in the way things are constructed.
You start with something really basic, learn a bit, apply it, things improve for the next one and repeat over and over.
I think you'd agree with this so far?
Consider just how much mystery there is to the pyramids because of all the things we know about the way they are made yet dont know about how they were made.. where are the buildings they slowly 'came from'. where are the buildings that stage by stage the builders learnt from so that they could apply their learnings to the pyramids.
There aren't any that are anything like them.
It's as if they went from stone age nonsense to one of the most incredible structures ever created over night. |
its a pile of ing rectangular blocks on top of each other. how much amazing architecture do you need??? :D |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
that they use instead of religion to create something all humans love to have: belief and faith. |
absolute bollocks.
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
its a pile of ing rectangular blocks on top of each other. how much amazing architecture do you need??? :D |
hahahahaahaha. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
what the hell does that even mean? he just gave you an example of how scientific truths impact on you everyday and you...i dont even know what you are doing |
i was distinguishing the scientific community from genius individuals. or trying to... perhaps it wasn't relevant to do so...
| quote: | when has it claimed to be? its a search for understanding and explanation and experiments, finding out what happens if you add x to y. trying to find out how and why things are.
huh? science admits that all the time! then the scientists who admit it go and do more science to try and find e answer. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
i don't think science has ever said it is all encompassing
of course there are things that are beyond science's grasp at the moment. there are things science hasn't explained. science is still going! thats the whole point.
science does admit it can't explain things. i already told you that. but instead of leaving it unexplained or giving you a bull answer science keeps trying. |
that's when it claims to be-- it claims that there is NOTHING beyond it's own grasp (even if it is at the moment). hence why i brought up god as an example of something beyond science's field. they can say it doesn't exist, but god can't be proven or disproven empirically, so science can't answer the question.
i don't agree with religion's answer, i'm just saying that it's an example of an alrternative: science doesn't allow for alternatives that aren't scientific. It searches for scientific answers... the point is that it claims to be all-encompassing by saying that everything can be explained by science.
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| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
absolute bollocks.
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you seriously don't believe humans need belief??
nihilism is wank. i personally create my own belief based on what i think is right for me, but every person alive lives their life based on beliefs! science has replaced religion in the west as the belief structure of choice. evolutionary theory is a belief of how the world works, for example, that you belive in. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
hence why i brought up god as an example of something beyond science's field. they can say it doesn't exist, but god can't be proven or disproven empirically, so science can't answer the question. |
whereas religion provides a definitive answer of course. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
whereas religion provides a definitive answer of course. |
again, i could argue with you, but i'm just saying that it's something that can't be explained, which science doesn't allow for.
that was my point.
not that it's an alternative belief, that it's something that science won't admit exists. and you're kinda proving it :p |
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| Light The Fuse |
somethings in the universe maybe beyond our scientific reasoning atm and maybe beyond our reach forever because of the limit of our minds - but they arent out the the limit of the concept of science - as even the presence of a god or gods may be measurable in some way
and thats the way it is cos stone cold said so |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
again, i could argue with you, but i'm just saying that it's something that can't be explained, which science doesn't allow for.
that was my point.
not that it's an alternative belief, that it's something that science won't admit exists. and you're kinda proving it :p |
Im not sure where youre getting the authority to speak of science in such a way. I am unaware of any scientist or group of scientists or work by scientists that make some of the claims you seem to be arbitrarily attributing to "science".
The fact that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of god is taken as a given, and barely worth repeating. It certainly doesn't fall into your category of "omg science won't admit it can't show the face of god!" -which is just juvenile nonsense. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Im not sure where youre getting the authority to speak of science in such a way. I am unaware of any scientist or group of scientists or work by scientists that make some of the claims you seem to be arbitrarily attributing to "science".
The fact that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of god is taken as a given, and barely worth repeating. It certainly doesn't fall into your category of "omg science won't admit it can't show the face of god!" -which is just juvenile nonsense. |
i'm speaking on scientific terms, and theories: falsifiability for example: how scientific papers work, how studies are done, things that are studied... etc
and from there offering my personal opinion-- not saying it's true, just offering something to think about... :)
and it IS relevant because science assumes that whatever exists can be explained within a scientific field! i'm saying the existence of god is an example of something that can't. not saying science is irrelivant or anything like that. i've said all along i think science is great, and i wouldn't be here without it, but it's not perfect. that's all.. |
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| sunrise3500 |
Another thing to think about..
Aliens are going to come all this way, meet the egyptians and say "Hi. We got banned from our home planet where we were in the construction business. Want a bigger penis? Because there are other ways to make up for it. Stack up rocks into the sky! and you'll forever be remembered! we'll show you how.. and no, we're not good for anything else. This is all you get."
and yes a pyramid.. if you want to build up, it's pretty obvious that it's the most easiest way to create something that is stable.
those egyptians were either sherlock ing homes or it's an episode of the x-files.
Now I've had enough of this. How many days til the end of the worldenium? scotty up for a set? Surely we can find a pyramid to hold it in ! :D |
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| batemanscott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
its a pile of ing rectangular blocks on top of each other. how much amazing architecture do you need??? :D |
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