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December 21st 2012... (pg. 20)
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| Deeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by sunrise3500
if you're trying to say satan was around when god was playing with clay or however you want to put it.. then the only thing you've really said is that your extremely ignorant and are probably better off not posting in this thread to avoid looking like a fool.
i pity the foo! |
Sunrise why the would I want to avoid looking like a fool, I am a fool hence my ridiculous post. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Ignorance to this babble is bliss and I'm happy living my life not giving a about God or science. I can post what I like when I like and I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. If you wanna call me a fool, go ahead, I hope it makes you feel like more of an intellectual :D |
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| Deeman |
| quote: | Originally posted by sunrise3500
FOOL! :P |
Thanks dad .. |
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| sunrise3500 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deeman
Thanks dad .. |
"He's doing the best he can..."
haha |
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| Deeman |
:haha: :haha:
Ah well that's last time I get drunk and go drag racing with that guy again!! Noob :p |
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| Teflon_Teapot |
| they have found god and its called the higgs boson;) |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I'm not against religion and I don't want to obliterate it like some people do as there are so many benefits to it as well, but it could be so much more if religious zealots actually opened their minds and were able to include science and rational thinking into their daily lives. I mean wow, some people are just unbelievable. |
i agree with you totally here man: i never said that science was anything but great, all i was saying is i think that religion is fine, and that i don't think science answers everything.
i think it blatantly claims that it CAN answer everything, even if it hasn't yet. look at things like psychology: eugenics... both large, expanding fields that believe that everything can be discovered: that mystery only exists until the scientific truth is uncovered..
i think they can intertwine as well, but i think that the majority of lay-scientists are atheists who use it to attack religion. as i said before it's fine you want empirical proof on which to base your life, but religion can't and shouldn't offer that proof- if it did offer empirical proof of God's existence, there would be no faith, and religion would not exist. the WHOLE POINT is that you have to BELIEVE. so it's fine if you don't believe it (i don't, but i do think it's a possibility), but just because you can't see God, doesn't mean he doesn't exist...
i don't think it disputes it at all: evolution is still totally possible for religious people: all that matters is that God started it...
anyways, don't mean to start up again: i agree with you, i'm just playing devil's advocate here, because as you mentioned, i personally feel like religion gets a lot of it doesn't deserve.. and i think there's more to truth than 'scientific fact'.. science is awesome at what it does, but it's not all there is, and i think rationality can answer just as much as science can... |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
[QUOTE] scientific method and "rational thought" (or reason) are part of the same language. of course science might not be predict whether pkcRAISTLIN will prefer this trance track over another one.
irrelevant. |
formation of 'meanings of life' are not scientific. how is a metaphysical question about leading a good life, or how to be happy, a scientific question??
science USES rational thought to make it's empirical evidence make sense.
| quote: | well you're hamstringing yourself in this conversation then aren't you? "there's a god because i couldn't believe there's not?"
what kind of fvcked up ty logic is that? *waves at mandi* thanks for those mandi ;) |
i meant that the concept of an external being could well be a kind of mental disposition: i didn't say it was proof of God's existence, i just said that it's an interesting phenomena.
| quote: | there are all kinds of things that have been part of our culture that we have shedded. you know, like slavery. or beheading. or having kings to run our countries.
that is simply not true at all and i wish people would stop saying it. |
that is simply not true at all: 1: those things all still exist, 2: the MEMORY of them alters our actions today. history is told so that we don't make the same mistakes that we've made in the past. we know about beheadings because they've been societally valued (as negative in this case), and we're told about them so that we never get to a place where they will happen again.
if you knew history, or had common sense, you would know that many of the laws that were carried thru history (murder being a crime etc) were created during times of state-religions. the church used to have massive impact over government, especially in European countries. you would also be able to recognise that many of the laws that exist now, or that at least used to exist are very similar to biblical laws, and it's not too much of a stretch to assume that this is no coincidence.
interestingly, religion still exists massively in media as well: there is MASSIVE referencing of the bible in modern media, in either comparitive, or parody forms, as well as direct or indirect references (re-telling of biblical tales, or a kind of mighty boosh suggesting jesus copied the fashion of one of his apostles)- i think that's something to also note- religion is very much alive. the ideas still exist.
not that it has anything to do with the point i was making, but it's still interesting.
| quote: | | haha, we were only discussing this in both the COR and PDD recently :) and yes, there is certainly some evidence to support that claim. but there is also an impulse to rape and pillage, doesn't mean we have to "go with the flow". |
i merely mentioned it as an interesting phenemena
doesn't mean that we should be religious, but it's something to think about... |
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| gumble |
Well I think about Science and Religion quite a lot...
I was raised as an Orthodox christian, which I think is a wonderful religion and provides a meaningful life to anyone who follows it.
But please don't think of this as similar to the crazy evangelical movements in the US and here, that construe thier own (wrong) versions of how the world began (6000 years, we rode dinosaurs etc.).
Orthodox are generally fine with evolution and so forth, as long as it doesn't exclude God.
But then science brain kicks in and I can also see a possibility that as human brain size increased, it had trouble comprehending the apparent infinite existance of the universe and other things unexplainable in early societies.
By conceiving deities (both polytheistic and monotheistic) religion produces a "self-governing" system, as morality is based on a model from a higher being.
Humans can't really think in more than 3 dimensions, and so there may be a lot of things we can't understand with current scientific knowledge. I think that if we could ever prove multi-dimensional universes or anything along those lines, it may help explain further the birth of the universe.
So, I side with scientific evidence nowadays, but try not to dismiss religion for being for the "blind beleivers". |
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| gumble |
oh and i might add I think prominent atheist figures such as Richard Dawkins and PZ Meyers are BAD for science in that they polarise peoples views of science as an "alternative" to religion.
they are both brilliant scientists though. |
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| gumble |
someone asked about neanderthals, they were around ~250 000 years ago, up to about 30 000 years ago and overlapped modern humans which first arrived ~130 000 years ago.
yer, i just looked that up in my notes :p |
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| Dj Dizzy |
| I just paid $4/gallon for gas this morning. If we're still around by 2012 then one thing's for sure - I'll be stuck walking to work every day. Should only take 6 hours or so to walk 30 miles. Factor in the earthquakes, tsunamis, and tornados I'll have to walk through and it's going to take at least 8 hours to walk to work everyday :mad: |
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