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New propaganda BS, Israel will "disappear" (pg. 6)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The ideology of the theocratic government was what wonder the people over and within that, the convincing of the people that anything Western was evil.
This is obviously still prevalent today in their view with Israel, a Western-backed state. |
I didn't understand half of what you just said. The Islamic Revolution arose out of a desire to fight back against Western meddling in Iran's internal affairs. This naturally was exported to other Muslim countries who faced the same predicament. It's not about hating Western culture. Clearly many Iranians love many things about the West.
| quote: | | With a suffocating ideology like that, how can the West possibly deal with it other than isolate it? |
First off, forget about ideology. You have no right to tell a foreign country how to legislate its laws. Secondly, Iran will not be isolated. You're dreaming. Sanctions? Still dreaming. Iran will find ways to sell its oil. What needs to happen is for the West to negotiate without these preconditions. Why is the West gets to set the tone for any negotiations? Diplomacy should be carried out with Iran and Syria unconditionally. Regime change policy should be put on the table. They should be treated as equals. The hardliners failed. It's time to change course. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
With a suffocating ideology like that, how can the West possibly deal with it other than isolate it? |
hmmm so because they are against the regime of Isrrael they cant be tdealt with?:rolleyes: who the is Israel?the world? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
hmmm so because they are against the regime of Isrrael they cant be tdealt with?:rolleyes: who the is Israel?the world? |
There's no debate over Israel's backing from the West or their legitimacy as a nation except in the eyes of some of those in the world of Islam.
The West isn't simply going to put 'the regime of Israel' :rolleyes: to the side just so they can deal with what?
A people that scream, "Death to Israel!" "Death to America!"??
Where's the payoff in that? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I didn't understand half of what you just said. The Islamic Revolution arose out of a desire to fight back against Western meddling in Iran's internal affairs. This naturally was exported to other Muslim countries who faced the same predicament. It's not about hating Western culture. Clearly many Iranians love many things about the West.
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That's only 1/2 the argument Krypton.
Sure they wanted the West out of their country but:
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'Gharbzadegi' used to refer to the loss of Iranian cultural identity through the adoption and imitation of Western models and Western criteria in education, the arts, and culture; through the transformation of Iran into a passive market for Western goods and a pawn in Western geopolitics.) was absolutely the foundation of the revolt
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Is still the driving force even today.
How else could their views after 25 years, after the revolution, still be the same? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That's only 1/2 the argument Krypton.
Sure they wanted the West out of their country but:
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Is still the driving force even today.
How else could their views after 25 years, after the revolution, still be the same? |
The jist of your argument is the Iran is hostile towards the Western Alliance just for the sake of being a pain in the ass. Because they are "radical Muslims". Spare me the BS...:rolleyes: |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
The jist of your argument is the Iran is hostile towards the Western Alliance just for the sake of being a pain in the ass. Because they are "radical Muslims". Spare me the BS...:rolleyes: |
No, it's because Western civilisation doesn't comply with their religious lifestyle.
That sir is certainly NOT BS... :rolleyes: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well, materialism aside (yes, you get a cookie) - I was kinda referring more to economics / law / liberty |
I'm not a great fan of "Western" economics! Does that make me an Islamic fundamentalist?!
As for liberty, I think you're wrong, plain and simple. I think citizens of authoritarian regimes would literally give their lives for our liberties... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I'm not a great fan of "Western" economics! Does that make me an Islamic fundamentalist?!
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Well there's a jump in logic...
I'm not saying they don't enjoy free markets but part of their ideology is the shunning of major corporations (i.e. how many MacDonalds do you think they have over there?).
Guess I wasn't specific enough....damn internet...;)
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As for liberty, I think you're wrong, plain and simple. I think citizens of authoritarian regimes would literally give their lives for our liberties... |
For the most part I do agree with your statement, however there are just as many that are happy living under their theocratic government and willing to give up their liberty for it - even while understanding what liberties we enjoy here in the West! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well there's a jump in logic...
I'm not saying they don't enjoy free markets but part of their ideology is the shunning of major corporations (i.e. how many MacDonalds do you think they have over there?).
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Dude MacDonalds?out of all the things they can have there you choosed MacDonalds lol .It is a good thing they dont have that garbage food,and thats why there are in much better shape then your typical American cows.;) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
No, it's because Western civilisation doesn't comply with their religious lifestyle.
That sir is certainly NOT BS... :rolleyes: |
Western civilization to the Islamic Revolution was the dictator Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who tortured and imprisoned 100,000 political prisoners. Who was responsible for propping up this guy who spent $100 million on a single party, while villages just down the road wallowed in miserable poverty? It was the Western Alliance. None of this is about religion. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Western civilization to the Islamic Revolution was the dictator Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who tortured and imprisoned 100,000 political prisoners. Who was responsible for propping up this guy who spent $100 million on a single party, while villages just down the road wallowed in miserable poverty? It was the Western Alliance. None of this is about religion. |
Really? Then explain why they are a theocracy? Because they hate America enough? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Western civilization to the Islamic Revolution was the dictator Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who tortured and imprisoned 100,000 political prisoners. Who was responsible for propping up this guy who spent $100 million on a single party, while villages just down the road wallowed in miserable poverty? It was the Western Alliance. None of this is about religion. |
yeah but you see those things wont matter musch to guys like Fir3start3r.As long he was pro western and pro American meant he was a good leader.:o |
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