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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That doesn't even make sense.
You either didn't type that right or I'm reading (and I'm paraphrasing here since I'm not sure what you're saying) that the Iranians wanted a revolution, got it, didn't like the government they put in place themselves and because of that mistake, won't let any other nation interfere with their politics...
Please tell me you mistyped this... |
They made a mistake and and now they are paying the price,BUT having the US wanting to chance the regime with force isnt going to well with the Iranian people.They have to make their choices themselves and yes without anyone from outside telling them whats wrong or right.
| quote: | Really? When did I ever say I didn't like anyone of Islam besides the ones that are ruining it?
If that's what you want to think then fine, but that's what going on in your own mind however you can't prove it.
In fact, I challenge you to find ANY post that I've written where I state that I hate Islamic people.
Good luck with that...:rolleyes: |
ok yeah I forgot how much you love Islam and ypu have nothing against them just as long as a country like Iran isnt running a government under the Islamic law.:o |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Yes, but you don't get it. You just said they have a theocracy because they "hate America enough". You are making this whole scenario out as if the Iranians are sole problem, the cause, the bad guy. Ok, tell that to the Iranians, and see where that gets you. Oh, nevermind, it's already been done. Where has it gotten us? |
I never said Iran was the sole problem...never even suggested it.
All I said was that for you guys to take the Islamic Revolution and make it into a purely political hate-on is erroneous since it was the ISLAMIC revolution not the IRANIAN Revolution...
And I never make any segways into even suggesting that what the West was doing was right OR wrong. Seems pretty obvious the people didn't like it since they had a revolution don't you think? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
They made a mistake and and now they are paying the price,BUT having the US wanting to chance the regime with force isnt going to well with the Iranian people.They have to make their choices themselves and yes without anyone from outside telling them whats wrong or right.
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Yes but this works both ways.
I agree with you but to suggest that Iran actually keeps to themselves?? That's really hypocritical...
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ok yeah I forgot how much you love Islam and ypu have nothing against them just as long as a country like Iran isnt running a government under the Islamic law.:o |
I gather you found nothing - colour me surprised.
I love how you try and put words in my mouth just to make yourself look like you have an actual argument by smearing me.
And again, when I did even suggest I had a problem with Iran's style of government?
Care to find that quote? Good luck with that one too...
/waiting... |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
ya you would know since you lived there right? |
you don't need to live somewhere to know if the people have large disposible incomes. GDP/population is usually a good indication of a nations wealth, and the economic and politic atmosphere indicate the distribution of wealth. In the case of iran, the per capita GDP is $12,000, far below $40,000+ of many western nations, and mrely $2000 above libya. The political atmosphere in iran is such that the wealth is not distributed widely, but held in the hands of the few privileged - namely those in the oil business. It is estimated that 10 million of the roughly 65 million iranians are in poverty (while the US has a relatively high poverty rate, poverty in the US and iran are not the same phenomenom - as americans in poverty have satellite dishes and air conditing). Additionally, Iran has a relatively high unemployment rate - about 15%. However, unlike european nations, iran doesn't have the national income to care for 15% of the population.
Finally, as evidence of the above, your ass is not in Iran, is it? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I never said Iran was the sole problem...never even suggested it.
All I said was that for you guys to take the Islamic Revolution and make it into a purely political hate-on is erroneous since it was the ISLAMIC revolution not the IRANIAN Revolution...
And I never make any segways into even suggesting that what the West was doing was right OR wrong. Seems pretty obvious the people didn't like it since they had a revolution don't you think? |
What's a political hate-on? I don't know what you're trying to say. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
you don't need to live somewhere to know if the people have large disposible incomes. GDP/population is usually a good indication of a nations wealth, and the economic and politic atmosphere indicate the distribution of wealth. In the case of iran, the per capita GDP is $12,000, far below $40,000+ of many western nations, and mrely $2000 above libya. The political atmosphere in iran is such that the wealth is not distributed widely, but held in the hands of the few privileged - namely those in the oil business. It is estimated that 10 million of the roughly 65 million iranians are in poverty (while the US has a relatively high poverty rate, poverty in the US and iran are not the same phenomenom - as americans in poverty have satellite dishes and air conditing). Additionally, Iran has a relatively high unemployment rate - about 15%. However, unlike european nations, iran doesn't have the national income to care for 15% of the population. |
You dont have to tell me what I already knew,but Iam glad you were able to learn something off of Wikipedia. ;)
| quote: | | Finally, as evidence of the above, your ass is not in Iran, is it? |
Yeah your point?that because Iam in Canada now Iam not hungry anymore?:rolleyes: |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
You dont have to tell me what I already knew,but Iam glad you were able to learn something off of Wikipedia. ;) |
actually, it was the CIA factbook, UN economic figures, and a NY Times article. In any event, that just proves your initial question to me is irrelevant. A person does not need to be in a location to know its economic situation.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Yeah your point?that because Iam in Canada now Iam not hungry anymore?:rolleyes: |
no....but since you are in canada you (your family) certainly left iran for a reason, and since you are so iran-centric i assume its not religious or politic persecution and that the reason is economics. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
actually, it was the CIA factbook, UN economic figures, and a NY Times article. In any event, that just proves your initial question to me is irrelevant. A person does not need to be in a location to know its economic situation. |
you have a point,things def have changed over the last few years there thats for sure.
| quote: | | no....but since you are in canada you (your family) certainly left iran for a reason, and since you are so iran-centric i assume its not religious or politic persecution and that the reason is economics. |
There were many reasons why we left,and economic wasnt one of them,since we were doing very well over there. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
There were many reasons why we left,and economic wasnt one of them,since we were doing very well over there. |
do you mind sharing? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
do you mind sharing? |
Left for better education and the fact that all of our friends and families were in Canada. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Left for better education and the fact that all of our friends and families were in Canada. |
fair reasons, however, economics was an indirect factor in your decision - canada providing better educational and career opportunities, and presumably your family and friends left for economic reasons (after all, they all couldn't leave for family and friends - it had to start somewhere ;) ) |
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| CHRles |
Iranians tend to do very well abroad. Isn't Beverly Hills like 25 percent Persian nowadays?
Still, I doubt most Iranians living abroad share hardcore trancer's love for the current political system of Iran. Nobody's forcing them to be overly religious here if they don't want to be, women of Persian descent dress as freely and as sexy as they want abroad, and in general they don't seem to be ashamed of Western culture (which the Iranian government is so vehemently against at times). |
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