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crazy gas prices thread (pg. 3)
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
typical...
you should care because oil prices are contributing to a rise in price for everything you buy. Especially food. Also, public transit requires fuel to run so you will end up paying for it through higher taxes or fares or both. The effects for you arent as immediate but they are definately felt. |
I meant "I don't care" in reference to the article and checking prices daily on a website...not in regard to the price of oil ;)
clearly that impacts everyone, not just drivers. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
typical...
you should care because oil prices are contributing to a rise in price for everything you buy. Especially food. Also, public transit requires fuel to run so you will end up paying for it through higher taxes or fares or both. The effects for you arent as immediate but they are definately felt. |
I meant "I don't care" in reference to the article and checking prices daily on a website...not in regard to the price of oil ;)
clearly that impacts everyone, not just drivers. |
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| activate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Make Me Egg
What class drivers license must you have in order to drive a scooter? |
you need your motorcycle license. M1 consists of a written of computer test that takes like 15 minutes to do. it's good for 90 days. after which you need to take the M1 exit road test to get your M2, or you can take a motorcycle safty course that is ministry approved and has a test at the end. afterwhich they'll give you a certificate that you take to the MTO. you have to have your m2 for 18-22 months before you can get your full M.
alternatively you can take a safety course on scooters and a test on a scooter and you will get LSM 2. The LS standing for Limited Speed. That applies to scooters that are 50cc or less or mopeds and restricts you from driving anything more powerful. |
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| AustralianGQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar
I love my Yaris Hatchback! |
thats my realistic dreamcar, i want one! i have a 97 cavalier right now. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by AustralianGQ
thats my realistic dreamcar, i want one! i have a 97 cavalier right now. |
She's so good and practical and fuel efficient! <3 it.
Love the cuter looks of it, the small size... i can park and maneouver anywhere. its great.
almost fun like go-cart ;) lol
and the hatch makes it so practical for hauling when u fold those rear seats down!
plus the toyota reliability, im very happy with my purchase! (which was a very reasonable price too)
(im still a closet fan of the new (2008+) vw city golf though. (i just LOVE that vw blue!) ... but im skeptical of its long-term reliability and it dont get as great mileage as mine. think its 2nd worse to only the nissan versa in the compact/sub-compact class.) |
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| Orko |
| The price of gas, and food has been under valued for the last 20 years. Get over it. The western way of life is a joke, and only now is it coming back to bite us on the ass. Baby boomers may have lived the best life possible for human beings. No thought of conservation, just unlimited wants, and 'unlimited resources'. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by devnull
however, we are paying more than them and we are not yelling end of the world.
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it doesn't matter if we're paying more than the US or less than in Europe. Its the need of gas that really counts, how much of it you use.
European use less of it for different reasons, so they were less annoyed by higher prices than us in the past, not today.
Americans drive much more than us, so they need more of it, even if its at lower prices, it still annoys the hell out of them.
It's like Indian people who are freaking out because rice price has been exploding, we don't care much of it here in the west because it's not the basis of our cuisine.
It's really a simple case of elasticity of demand, economy 101. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
The price of gas, and food has been under valued for the last 20 years. Get over it. The western way of life is a joke, and only now is it coming back to bite us on the ass. Baby boomers may have lived the best life possible for human beings. No thought of conservation, just unlimited wants, and 'unlimited resources'. |
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| dj_souvlaki |
Only fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
----This dosen't make a difference. the tanks are in the ground so they are always cool. temperature will barely fluctuate. and what maybe it will save you 30 cents?
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're g getting less worth for your money.
---ya i guess kinda true with gasoline. but not with diesel. again save 30 cents?
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
---even if the gasoline evaporates it has no where to go. it will stay in the tank or sent into the charcoal canister and recycled through the engine and burned. automobiles have a sealed gas tank and do not vent to the atmosphere. if they do than that car shouldn't be on the road and requires repair.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom
---now this is deffininlty true.
if you want good fuel miallege.
use a good quality gasoline (shell is the most superior)
keep filters clean (air and fuel filterS)
injection flushes every 20-30 000 km
regular tune ups and oil changes.
synthetic oil can actually increase fuel miallege.
any additives unless related to diesel additives are just snake oil. waste of money do not work and may cause more harm than good.
proper tire inflation is a big big big one. don't go by 32 psi like most people do. read your tire placard on your door jam. go by that.
proper alignment
and having a light foot helps. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_souvlaki
Only fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
----This dosen't make a difference. the tanks are in the ground so they are always cool. temperature will barely fluctuate. and what maybe it will save you 30 cents?
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're g getting less worth for your money.
---ya i guess kinda true with gasoline. but not with diesel. again save 30 cents?
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
---even if the gasoline evaporates it has no where to go. it will stay in the tank or sent into the charcoal canister and recycled through the engine and burned. automobiles have a sealed gas tank and do not vent to the atmosphere. if they do than that car shouldn't be on the road and requires repair.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom
---now this is deffininlty true.
if you want good fuel miallege.
use a good quality gasoline (shell is the most superior)
keep filters clean (air and fuel filterS)
injection flushes every 20-30 000 km
regular tune ups and oil changes.
synthetic oil can actually increase fuel miallege.
any additives unless related to diesel additives are just snake oil. waste of money do not work and may cause more harm than good.
proper tire inflation is a big big big one. don't go by 32 psi like most people do. read your tire placard on your door jam. go by that.
proper alignment
and having a light foot helps. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
The price of gas, and food has been under valued for the last 20 years. Get over it. The western way of life is a joke, and only now is it coming back to bite us on the ass. Baby boomers may have lived the best life possible for human beings. No thought of conservation, just unlimited wants, and 'unlimited resources'. |
Interesting to note that many argue that the price of oil right now is grossly inflated. Speculation had driven the price of oil up...not scarcity or a lack of production/supply. The vice minister of trade in Japan recently stated that current market fundamentals support an oil price of about $60/barrel, with the remainder due to speculation among analysts and investors.
http://www.platts.com/Oil/News/9934199.xml?p=Oil/News&sub=Oil?src=energybulletin
Oil is a commodity...and the price of commodities is cyclical. There will be a correction (that is the argument). This will occur until supply is truly pushed to the limit and we're not there yet...though there are those stating that "this time it's different". Maybe they're right...but this has been said before and there have been corrections, argues the other side.
also of interest is that many people might be overlooking what "scarcity" really means here, thinking that it's the point where oil is close to running out...which is obviously not the case. scarcity is simply where there is even a little bit more demand than supply is able to meet. This doesn't even necessarily mean what is actually physically available, given the that some countries have nationalized their oil companies. a political dimension of "willing to meet" is perhaps added.
I wish I could find the source where I read this, but one analyst or expert estimated that demand for oil will only have to outstrip supply by something like five percent before there are likely to be *major* consequences, such as the complete collapse of many economies...and war.
some say we're going to see serious consequences in the relatively immediate future...like 2012-2014. Others say it will be much later. One thing that seems to be more consensus though is "in our lifetime" (barring being granted yet more time through major technological advances and radical changes in global consumption).
talk of "peak oil" is quite the debate, if you're interested in that sort of thing. I find the radically different estimates and opinions to be fascinating...assuming that there should be more scientifically-supported consensus on a topic like this.
ok...babbling now. this is the TOTA stoner thread, right? :P |
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