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Decapitation on Greyhound bus to Winnipeg (pg. 12)
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| Irishaddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
...if I was there, I would be so angry and disgusted that I would risk my own well being rather than just sit there and feel powerless. |
doubt it.
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
This morning I was having a coffee on a Starbucks patio sitting next to a black dude who was reading a book and minding his own business. There was a sketched out bum on the sidewalk who came up to him and started saying nigga this nigga that you don't belong in this country etc......they exchanged insults but the guy wouldn't give up. I looked around me and everyone on the patio was sinking their heads into their newspapers/laptops and trying to avoid everything that was going on! I couldn't believe my eyes! So I told the bum to get ing lost and went to tell the kids working at the counter what was going on. When I got back both him and the black guy were gone and everyone on the patio was discussing the altercation...Excuse me where the were you when all of this was going down??
This incident can be related to Tim's gruesome murder. |
holy not even close hah |
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| me@t k@tie |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
It's easy for us to sit here and judge the passengers but honestly if I was there, I would be so angry and disgusted that I would risk my own well being rather than just sit there and feel powerless. I cannot comprehend how all of these people (seniors and children excluded) were more concerned about themselves than putting a stop to the gruesome acts being committed against a fellow citizen. In many other countries people would have the balls to do something about it and risk getting a few cuts and bruises. Not to mention that Li is 5'8 and the knife he was using is nowhere near the size that some were reporting.
This incident can be related to Tim's gruesome murder. If people are not willing to say anything to put a bum in his place then how are they going to try and disarm a maniac on a bus. I think that the whole "mind your own business" mentality is too common in Canada. Remember what they say about those who did nothing to stop the Nazi's just because they were "minding their own business". |
Okay there, Internet hero. So the victim is already dead with his head cut off, dude is in there with a hunting knife carving him up, and you're going to climb back aboard the bus for some vengeance? I think the other 34 passengers would have told you to stop being so ing stupid. It's a good thing they kept the door locked with the guy safely inside from hurting anyone else. Everyone's always so brave from the comfort of their armchair at home.
Also, the Nazi bit was really out of place. It's clear you don't know WW2 history at all because "minding your own business" had nothing to do with people not stopping the Nazis. The concentration camps were all outside Germany (guess why), well hidden, and employed only as many Germans (and Jews too) as absolutely needed.
Edit: This is Cosmic Fur |
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| Irishaddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by me@t k@tie
Okay there, Internet hero. |
haha :) |
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| iant56 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
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Dude...while I totally commend you for doing what you did with the homeless person - big high five to you...that is a COMPLETELY different situation. Yes, you acknowledge that...but the people on the bus were in a frickin' life or death situation. Those people were in a pretty extraordinary circumstance, and there are a number of reasons why they probably didn't react, some of which I may not even have mentioned.
a) Many (if not all) people were in SHOCK...therefore not thinking properly.
b) Most people probably have not had to defend themselves against someone with a knife. (And regardless of how big the knife was, the knife is a deadly weapon. It probably wasn't a "rambo sized knife", but even a frickin' steak knife would probably scare a lot of people).
c) Knife > Make shift weapons from the side of the highway
d) Considering the maniac stabbed a random guy 60 times, decapitated him, calmly dangled the head in front of them and dropped it and is now eating the guy...the killer is obviously capable of a lot and doesn't give a ...so the people are probably scared b/c he's obvously going to stop at nothing.
Not to mention...people talk a lot of ing when they're not put into a situation. When you're actually IN a situation like that, more often than not people do NOT do what they think they would have done. Even trained professionals can choke at times.
-Lisa |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by iant56
Not to mention...people talk a lot of ing when they're not put into a situation. When you're actually IN a situation like that, more often than not people do NOT do what they think they would have done. Even trained professionals can choke at times.
-Lisa |
exactly.
- Katie
ps everyone is posting from different accounts! |
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| Irishaddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
exactly.
- Katie
ps everyone is posting from different accounts! |
she told me she was writing in here and i told her to use her own account - so ing annoying! :gsmile: |
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| MusicMatters |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
^^ Excuse me where the were you when all of this was going down??
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We, Canadians, are like ostriches mostly the time... I don't hear so my country is the best...
I would kick that bastard's ass and make him run away....every five minutes keep swearing the people on patio and enjoy my coffee... |
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| Jer |
I see the point Mikester's trying to make (albeit it's a little askew), it's the classic Edmund Burke argument.
| quote: | | "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." |
In this situation, if there was a clear indication that this young man was still alive, then by all means it would have been a disappointment if the passengers did nothing. But considering there were CHILDREN on this bus, the priorities shift and the sad reality is that there was little that could be done by the time this madman started hacking away at him.
I think it's much more appropriate (and far less cavalier) to have taken him in to custody rather than use lethal force - Keep in mind that by the time the situation had come to its boil point and this poor kid got beheaded, the only remaining threat was the suspect to himself. As uncomfortable as it might be, law enforcement have a duty to protect society from harm and to minimize or prevent the loss of life wherever possible. Considering the way the standoff ended, I'm personally glad they didn't turn into cowboys and martyr this lunatic - with any luck he'll rot for the rest of his years. |
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| Irishaddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jer
I see the point Mikester's trying to make (albeit it's a little askew), it's the classic Edmund Burke argument.
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unfortunately human nature is fight or flight in life threatening situations, not to peruse through the works of philosophy for appropriate behaviour :p |
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| tatgirl |
Mikester69- I commend you for speaking up and defending that guy. Sadly, that same attitude perseveres here on this site as well. Just read some threads and see all the subtle racist comments that no one corrects (with the exception of AustralianGQ, since he takes it to a new level, and people seem to hate him anyways, rightfully so).
Do I think the passengers should've done more? No. The police were there within a few minutes, and they are far better trained and armed to deal with it. Why they let it go on for 3-5 hrs more is beyond me. The only threat he was was to to himself, or them, if he attacked, in which case they could've used lethal force or aimed for the kneecaps, immobilizing him. I dont think anyone would have revered this guy as a martyr, now the taxpayers will have to pay millions to try, evaluate, and imprison this guy. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Irishaddict
unfortunately human nature is fight or flight in life threatening situations, not to peruse through the works of philosophy for appropriate behaviour :p |
Just to add, fight or flight is not even human nature, it's animal nature - it's one of the most basic instincts all animals (including humans) have. Even a dog knows when it's better to fight, and when it's better to take flight. Of course dogs don't have egos, sooo...
Edit: BTW, I agree with the cops on not ending his life and instead letting the justice system handle it. I have a feeling the guy would have wanted to be shot instead of rotting away in jail for the rest of his life. |
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