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Decapitation on Greyhound bus to Winnipeg (pg. 13)
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| Skipper |
| One guy on the bus (on the other side of the aisle from the "incident") said he considered doing something or stepping in in some way, but it became obvious very quickly that there was nothing that could be done. The passengers should not be criticized at all. |
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| Skipper |
Wow, I bet the person who posted the flyer for the valentine's day massacre party feels pretty ty right now. |
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| spolitta |
In his list of general interests he wrote Dying. WTF! |
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| Abercrombie |
Well... He's been found not guilty today because he's a head case.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...?hub=TopStories
| quote: | Vince Li not criminally responsible for beheading
Updated Thu. Mar. 5 2009 12:09 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Vince Li has been found not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder and beheading of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus last summer because he is mentally ill.
Both the Crown and the defence agreed that Li is a schizophrenic who was suffering a psychotic episode when he killed the 22-year-old McLean.
Li, 40, will now be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility where he will receive treatment. A review panel will decide in the next six weeks which facility he will be transferred to, depending on whether he is considered a risk to others or to himself.
His case must also be reviewed on an annual basis by a mental health review board.
"That doesn't sit well with McLean's family," reports CTV's Jill Macyshon, who says they want Li to spend his life in prison, demanding "a life for a life."
The review board will look at police reports from the crime scene and review transcripts of previous hearings, while also listening to evidence from psychiatrists who will treat Li about his current mental condition, treatment plan and prognosis.
Li's trial took only two days and heard from only two witnesses. Both were psychiatrists who testified Li suffers from schizophrenia. They testified Li heard what he thought was the voice of God last July, telling him to kill McLean or risk being killed himself.
Dr. Jonathan Rootenberg said Li was psychotic and was in no state to tell the difference between right and wrong.
"The attack was sudden and came as Li caught a glimpse of the sunlight and heard God's voice telling him that McLean was a threat," Rootenberg testified. "The voice said, `Do it now ... If you don't, he's going to kill you.'"
Legal analyst and criminal lawyer Steven Skurka says the decision shows that the Canadian criminal justice system is humane and recognizes that those in psychotic states cannot distinguish right and wrong.
"We can't simply look at the actions we have to look at his mental state. We don't punish people who don't appreciate the nature and quality of their actions. I think that's a very positive feature of our system," Skurka told CTV Newsnet after the decision was handed down.
With the NCR declaration, Li will not have a criminal record. But on the agreement of both the Crown and the defence, his DNA will be put into a registry so that it will be on file in the event Li is one day released and is suspected of another crime.
"It's a responsible position for the defence to take because clearly, they're concerned about public safety," Slurka said.
Macyshon reports that the court was absolutely silent as the judgment was read.
"Li always looks straight ahead and doesn't seem ashamed of what he's done. The family though is always watching him like hawks," she says.
"They say it's not justice."
While the McLean family knew to expect Thursday's ruling, McLean's mother Carol deDelley says she will push forward with what she calls "Tim's Law."
She wants those who are found to be not criminally responsible to have criminal records and to be treated in prison not in a mental facility.
DeDelley told reporters outside the courthouse Thursday that NCR should be changed to what she calls "NPA."
"That would be Not Psychologically Accountable but still criminally responsible. Because a crime was still committed her, a murder still occurred. And NCR seems to negate that fact. At least that's how it feels to us, "she said.
DeDelley added she doesn't hate Li; she thinks he's dangerous and should be "kept away from the public for the rest of his natural life." |
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| Intangible |
wtf...
I dont even know where to begin with this
Something is wrong with our system... |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
wtf...
I dont even know where to begin with this
Something is wrong with our system... |
Huh? The guy is clearly mentally ed. He was being treated for schizophrenia years before the murder. This was absolutely the right decision given the clear evidence of his mental capacity.
I can't imagine what Mr McLean went through (the part about the eyes and heart being eaten is :eyes: ) however, imagine being afraid of your own mind? This guy had no perception of reality or what he was doing. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
Now that I have a better understanding of the criminal justice system. I think that this is a completely fair ruling. If he's put into a prison w/this disease, there's no telling what he could do there, which would be a threat to the inmates and correctional officers. Whereas at a mental institution, they are professionals who know how to deal with, and protect against patients like him.
Judging by the extremity of his actions, I'm guessing his disease is quite severe, and although he will be up for review, I highly doubt that the board will ever deem him suitable to be put back into society.
One thing I don't like however, is the fact that he won't have a criminal record. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Now that I have a better understanding of the criminal justice system[,] I think that this is a completely fair ruling. |
+1.
I suspect that the vast majority of those who claim
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Something is wrong with our [justice] system... |
have very little knowledge of the relevant legal issues at play. |
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| Intangible |
| What bothers me is not the ruling... but the fact that people in Canada that are THAT mentally unstable are able to live in society without proper treatment. |
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| PurpleHaze |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
What bothers me is not the ruling... but the fact that people in Canada that are THAT mentally unstable are able to live in society without proper treatment. |
What do you mean? He's going to be in a secure mental institution/hospital for a very very long time and will not be released into society until he is able to or is cured of his mental illness.
I think it's a fair ruling - he's one ed up psycho and deserves to be in a hospital to get treated, not in a jail where he will continue to be psychotic possibly killing an inmate or worse when his time comes he will kill someone else in society.
Justice system worked well in this trial. |
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| Geoffb3 |
| Ya i saw this one coming... |
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