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Decapitation on Greyhound bus to Winnipeg (pg. 14)
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| Intangible |
| quote: | Originally posted by PurpleHaze
What do you mean? He's going to be in a secure mental institution/hospital for a very very long time and will not be released into society until he is able to or is cured of his mental illness.
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I don't mean post trial... I mean pre-trial.
For me it's scary that people are out there that mentally unstable.
By system I think I meant maybe social system or something... That there needs to be more funding to help people like this and treat them BEFORE they kill someone.
I'm happy is getting the treatment now and I do think this was the proper verdict.. but a life has been lost. Obviously his schizophrenia was pretty severe and I would think (but I honestly know very little about schizophrenia) that it could have been detected and treated before this happened. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by spolitta
In his list of general interests he wrote Dying. WTF! |
this is ed |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Obviously his schizophrenia was pretty severe and I would think (but I honestly know very little about schizophrenia) that it could have been detected and treated before this happened. |
It was... he was hospitalized in Toronto when he was found walking down the 427 trying to get to Winnipeg (because God told him to go home). After being ordered into custody for a 14 day assessment (to determine if he should be involuntarily committed) he walked out of the hospital and made his way back to Winnipeg. |
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| Cribby |
| I find the ruling fair, but what really angers me is how he was able to roam about freely and not been institutionalized if he had already been deemed insane before?! He should have been forcibly committed when in Toronto. All of this could have been prevented. :mad: :( |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It was... he was hospitalized in Toronto when he was found walking down the 427 trying to get to Winnipeg (because God told him to go home). After being ordered into custody for a 14 day assessment (to determine if he should be involuntarily committed) he walked out of the hospital and made his way back to Winnipeg. |
And this is what's wrong with the Canadian system but it is nothing to do with the judicial system and everything to do with the mental health act here in so much as patients cannot be 'sectioned'. If we were in the UK, he would be sectioned and in a mental care facility following his 427 stunt. This means he would be held against his will under the recommendation of a psychiatrist - the circumstances of a section are that you are a danger to yourself or others. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cribby
I find the ruling fair, but what really angers me is how he was able to roam about freely and not been institutionalized if he had already been deemed insane before?! He should have been forcibly committed when in Toronto. All of this could have been prevented. :mad: :( |
Had he stuck around 4 more days (he was on day 10 of the 14 day evaluation) he would have been forcefully committed... the problem is that during the 14 days the hospital cannot detain him unless they have been given a custodial order from the courts... which they did not have. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Had he stuck around 4 more days (he was on day 10 of the 14 day evaluation) he would have been forcefully committed... the problem is that during the 14 days the hospital cannot detain him unless they have been given a custodial order from the courts... which they did not have. |
And that is what I mean by a section! |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
And that is what I mean by a section! |
The option is there though... had the court ordered Li into custody for the 14 day evaluation then he would not have been able to leave. |
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| duplo |
| I swear to god heads will roll!!!! |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The option is there though... had the court ordered Li into custody for the 14 day evaluation then he would not have been able to leave. |
But the option is only there through a court, not just a psychiatic evaluation....
In the UK, a psychiatrist can section you after one single evaluation if he/she deems you to be a threat to your own or someone elses life.
In this case, walking down the 427 because God told you to go home would DEFINITELY have resulted in a section. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by duplo
I swear to god heads will roll!!!! |
They already started to roll 3 weeks ago... beginning with the man in Buffalo who started a peaceful TV station to improve the image of Muslim Americans after Sept. 11, and then beheaded his wife.
 http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/587925 |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by duplo
I swear to god heads will roll!!!! |
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. This is the type of case where the judge has to keep a level head and cut out all the rhetoric from the law and order crowd in order to do what's in everyone's best interest. Just cutting this man off from the world in prison for a specified period of time with no rehab would surely result in some further offenses in prison and once released. By ruling him NCR he will be in a mental institution until he has his head straight or until he dies... less chance of further danger to society. |
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