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The Official 2008-2009 NBA/Toronto Raptors Discussion Thread (pg. 24)
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| Porky |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuperJimbo
How Raptors could deal for Nash...
Steve Nash already has been talking about finishing his career (his contract expires in 2010) in New York or back home in Canada. Why not sooner? I've heard speculation about such a possibility around the NBA. It's an intriguing proposition. The Suns start to look beyond Shaq now with the idea of building around Amare Stoudemire. While the Raptors push to get back in serious playoff contention to try to persuade Chris Bosh to resign. Toronto reportedly has been anxious to trade, but really has little of great value. Here's the deal and while bold, it could respond to both teams' desires. Nash, Leandro Barbosa and Robin Lopez for Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani, Anthony Parker and Jason Kopono and perhaps Jamario Moon to equalize salaries.
(NBA.com)
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_...ash?eref=fromSI |
wow this is a horrible ing trade.
calderone is a top 30 player, bargnani is just realizing his potential. why would toronto even consider gutting it's team for one playoff run?
btw, nash is playing pretty crappy this year, he's suffering the D'antoni effect by not having so many offensive opportunities to stuff his stats like previous years. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
i dunno how many people would expect for Nash to take a backseat to Calderon right now (I mean NBA wise) |
Calderon is arguably a better all-around PG than Nash *right now* and his numbers this year, almost across the board, are slightly better than Nash...with a FAR better turnover-assist ratio (key PG marker). That's playing with an inferior lineup too.
Now flash forward to the start of the 2010 season and the gap likely widens.
I guarantee if you poll the GMs/coaches in the league and asked them who they'd want starting for them in 2010, the overwhelming response would be Jose, not Nash ;)
(edit: Nash has experience on him...I'll give him that). |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
one more rumour I've been hearing for a couple weeks that I'm not too big on:
Bulls-Raps trade |
all of that. No thanks to Nocioni and/or Hughes. Nocioni is grossly overrated and Hughes just isn't what the Raps need. Gooden...um...where's he going to play? Too small for C, we have a PF, so unless he somehow slides down to SF (too slow)...?
| quote: | | Nash, Leandro Barbosa and Robin Lopez for Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani, Anthony Parker and Jason Kopono and perhaps Jamario Moon to equalize salaries. |
a big LOL to whoever came up with that too. that's soooooo ridiculous, I file it under the "I will boycott the Raps if..." category of trades, haha. There's NO way that trade will happen. Bargnani is going nowhere unless another legit big comes back.
I'm *all* for trading Jermaine if the Raps get value in return (preferably at SG or SF since Bargnani is looking more and more like the C that he eventually will be). Jermaine has missed ~10 games before the mid-point of the season and the value of that trade hinged on him being healthy (which he's not...surprise, surprise).
Too bad Beasely has been sucking in Miami. If he blew up, I wonder how feasible a Jermaine for Marion (adding pieces on each side to make it work) trade would be. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
all of that. No thanks to Nocioni and/or Hughes. Nocioni is grossly overrated and Hughes just isn't what the Raps need. Gooden...um...where's he going to play? Too small for C, we have a PF, so unless he somehow slides down to SF (too slow)...?
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Nocioni, not the althletic player we need.
Hughes, bad contract.
As for any suns trade involving bargs/calderone, puh-leeeease! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| Rumor has it the raptors are going to trade the whole team plus $40 million for the Celtics |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Rumor has it the raptors are going to trade the whole team plus $40 million for the Celtics |
LOL!! |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
last two vs the celts:
A lot of positives to be taken, Bargs and team toughness [JOEY! JOEY!] being the biggest ones. Let's hope even though they went 0/2, they'll realize that they were up against the defending champs and losing a couple close ones isn't anything to be ashamed of.
Things they need to clean up:
long shot, long rebound.
Bosh, you can't be afraid of KG, you're quicker, just drive from 10 feet instead of 5, and you'll be far enough ahead so he can't block
your shot.
Moon still makes me sick with his shot selection.
Oh, and Roko's gonna be some player, look out in 2-3. |
Yea, even though they lost they managed to give themselves a chance in both games. Talk about being resilient. Earlier this year they would've just folded whereas here the games went down to the final seconds.
Agree with you on Moon. Every time the ball lands in his hands I cringe. That wide-open 3 that the C's gave him was pathetic. You need to hit that in the dying seconds.
Roko has been absolutely phenomenal. His ball handling skills are amazing and his basketball IQ is very impressive. That layup of his from the foul line is so clutch. Once he develops a consistent long range shot he'll be very, very dangerous.
Solomon needs to go. That guy is the definition of "brain fart" on the court. |
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| Porky |
Question for all you guys.
Who would you rather have? Rashard Lewis or Yao Ming?
I just made this trade with MarkT in my nba fantasy league. Rashard gets you monster 3Ptrs and lots of minutes/points. Yao ming gets you fg%, boards and blocks. However i think i may be taking on a risk b/c Yao may get injured and not play a full 82game season unlike Rashard who is super durable... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I'd take lewis....but what do I know...I'm white, can't jump and can't play basketball |
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| MarkT |
^^^ yeah...looked pretty good in the 4th, but WTF for the first three quarters.
Parker looked alright running the point and was really getting on everyone's case to step up. I'd love to see that intensity all game long...
| quote: | Originally posted by Porky
Question for all you guys.
Who would you rather have? Rashard Lewis or Yao Ming?
I just made this trade with MarkT in my nba fantasy league. Rashard gets you monster 3Ptrs and lots of minutes/points. Yao ming gets you fg%, boards and blocks. However i think i may be taking on a risk b/c Yao may get injured and not play a full 82game season unlike Rashard who is super durable... |
Given that my team FG% is awful, it was a tough choice as that's the big gap between them.
straight up, Yao has a slight edge in numbers and a good C is harder to come by than a F. the decision to accept was indeed based on my bet that Yao gets hurt at some point, lol. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| Me and my buddies are thinking of going for Raptors tryouts in the off season, lol. |
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