Originally posted by slingshot
These trades you guys are proposing would essentially turn us into the Charlotte Bobcats....except without Larry Brown as a coach. Charlotte may actually have better players than us with this trade. In the NBA, star power reigns supreme. I know there is the Detriot Piston argument...but Sheed, Rip, and Chauncey were pretty much stars imo.
If Bosh were traded to GS for the players you guys are proposing...we would have NO go-to player at all. Just a bunch of average players. Don't forget that good players make average players around them better. A whole team of average players would result in a season no better than this one.
Heh, isn't it obvious that Bargnani would be the "go-to" guy? This team has no future with Bargnani and Bosh as their front court. It sounds great in theory, but in reality a team will go absolutely nowhere with 2 perimeter bigs. They NEED a big who's main talent is grabbing rebounds. I like that you bring up the Pistons because thats exactly the type of set up they had going when they won the title. Sheed is a more perimeter oriented big whereas Ben Wallace was there for the sole purpose of defense and rebounding. Obviously the rest of the team was lightyears ahead of what the Raptors have going on right now but the fact remains that only ONE perimeter oriented big is allowed. The other guy has to always stay down low to grabs rebounds or putbacks or passing out for another play. That's also exactly what Biedrins would bring. Plus he's still young.
You're right about star power though. It definitely reigns. But Toronto has burnt that bridge with stars a long time ago and it's time to face the music. Nobody entering their prime with star talent is going to want to sign with T.O. The only way we get stars is through rebuilding and drafting (and this is exactly what this trade would do: we'd get way younger and get draft picks). Right now all we can do is hope Bargnani takes it to the next level next year and Colangelo pulls off some genius trade.
The inclusion of Monta Ellis would be pretty sick though. I could see Ellis constantly driving and either picking up fouls, laying it up or dishing it out to Bargnani.
slingshot
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
You're right about star power though. It definitely reigns. But Toronto has burnt that bridge with stars a long time ago and it's time to face the music. Nobody entering their prime with star talent is going to want to sign with T.O. The only way we get stars is through rebuilding and drafting (and this is exactly what this trade would do: we'd get way younger and get draft picks). Right now all we can do is hope Bargnani takes it to the next level next year and Colangelo pulls off some genius trade.
You raise some very good points dude. Ahhhhh, it would endure more sucking for more years though. I'm starting to feel like a Buffalo sports fan now, lol.
Grinder
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Originally posted by slingshot
You raise some very good points dude. Ahhhhh, it would endure more sucking for more years though. I'm starting to feel like a Buffalo sports fan now, lol.
You have a long way to go before you catch up to me brotha ;)
urban_legend
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Originally posted by Grinder
You have a long way to go before you catch up to me brotha ;)
So what happens when you are both?
minus the Sabres, they just suck period :D
Spam
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Heh, isn't it obvious that Bargnani would be the "go-to" guy? This team has no future with Bargnani and Bosh as their front court. It sounds great in theory, but in reality a team will go absolutely nowhere with 2 perimeter bigs. They NEED a big who's main talent is grabbing rebounds. I like that you bring up the Pistons because thats exactly the type of set up they had going when they won the title. Sheed is a more perimeter oriented big whereas Ben Wallace was there for the sole purpose of defense and rebounding. Obviously the rest of the team was lightyears ahead of what the Raptors have going on right now but the fact remains that only ONE perimeter oriented big is allowed. The other guy has to always stay down low to grabs rebounds or putbacks or passing out for another play. That's also exactly what Biedrins would bring. Plus he's still young.
You're right about star power though. It definitely reigns. But Toronto has burnt that bridge with stars a long time ago and it's time to face the music. Nobody entering their prime with star talent is going to want to sign with T.O. The only way we get stars is through rebuilding and drafting (and this is exactly what this trade would do: we'd get way younger and get draft picks). Right now all we can do is hope Bargnani takes it to the next level next year and Colangelo pulls off some genius trade.
The inclusion of Monta Ellis would be pretty sick though. I could see Ellis constantly driving and either picking up fouls, laying it up or dishing it out to Bargnani.
Bosh for Howard?
Rebounds AND a Superman cape!
MarkT
lol
maybe when he learns to hit free throws
Bosh + Parker for Biedrins + Ellis
GS has a lot of guards and could let Monta go. Salaries match with Parker's inclusion and his contract is up anyway, so GS gives up 20 mil and takes on 15, giving them cash to find an experienced C to split time with Turiaf.
think GS bites?
Calderon-Ellis-Marion-Bargnani-Biedrins
I like that...
Spam
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Originally posted by MarkT
lol
maybe when he learns to hit free throws
We already HAVE 219653295 guys who can shoot free-throws. What good are they when they're never getting fouled because they constantly take jump shots from 15+ feet from the basket?
We need a big, burly, rebounding center so that when the bazillion shooters we have take shots that miss, we might actually GET one of those offensive rebounds.
MarkT
yeah...I don't mean for that to sound like it would 'suck' to have him on the Raps. just a little dig (I don't like the Magic for some reason)
now I feel guilty for supporting Bosh being traded. he even invites everyone to his party, haha:
infinity HiGH
Hey I'm not hating on Bosh when I say he should be traded. That's just the reality of it all. We all know Colangelo drafted Bargs to be "THE MAN" on this team. Bosh was just a hold over until Bargnani develops imo. I just really really hope that when the day comes that Bosh is traded the goddamn tools in this city don't boo him when he comes back.
Bosh-Parker for Ellis-Biedrins....hmmm..I think like we're giving up too much talent. I'd still want Randolph and a draft pick since Colangelo brilliantly traded all of them away for God knows what.
Invasionmix
Finally a win!
Raptors played really well today, Bargnani still emerging and hopefully stays consistent. That third quarter was really fun to watch, high intensity and good defense.
infinity HiGH
LOL yea nothing to bitch about after yesterdays game. Cept for Marion...this guy has been AWOL lately (except for that vicious dunk on Granger: see below) My fantasy teams are hurting!
